QUOTE(Kiln @ Sep 6 2016, 10:15 PM)
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 6 2016, 06:51 PM)
QUOTE(Kiln @ Sep 6 2016, 05:38 PM)
Looks like all of that doom and gloom from the head Brits may have been overblown. Looks like Britain is on the path to economic recovery according to the latest stats.
That just means we're recovering from the reaction to the referendum. The
real ****storm won't start until Article 50 is triggered and the negotiations begin. From there it's all pretty much downhill anyway. Unless the EU is feeling particularly generous, the best we're going to get is a Norway style deal that ultimately costs us more money and takes away our vote in what happens in Europe.
Have some faith. There were successful countries before the EU. There will still be long after it is gone.
A large portion of the planet functions on a regular basis without EU oversight so don't let the pre-exit propoganda keep you from an open mind.
One thing is for sure, the permanent Brexit apocalypse that was being raved about previously never happened.
In any case the UK's divorce from the UK happened, for better or worse. I sincerely hope things keep improving there after the initial dip. I think they will when the world figures out that
an independent UK isn't guaranteed to fail.The UK is also part of NATO. Whether the EU likes it or not, the UK's success and money are necessary for their alliance to remain beneficial.
You sound like you're channeling McB here.
Considering how heavily the economy is weighted towards the EU, facing an unknown level of disengagement from it isn't exactly grounds for optimism. Nor is the fact that the referendum result was followed by a dramatic increase in the number of hate crimes. And don't get me started on the current government...
It's nothing to do with propaganda. The Leave campaign was literally based on lies and (at best)nonsense, and didn't even have an actual plan for leaving the EU. Frankly the entire referendum was a mess from start to finish, both campaigns were jokes that failed to actually make their cases. I'm of the opinion that membership in the EU was beneficial for Britain, though the EU does need to start making some changes.
Article 50 isn't being triggered until next year, and that's the start of the process of leaving the EU, so it's way too early to call this. Previous predictions were made assuming an early triggering of Article 50. Right now everyone's waiting to see if the PM will actually go through with it(sure, she says she will, but it wouldn't be the first time a Conservative PM has lied), and after that for how the negotiations go.
That's when things are going to start going pear-shaped. What we're experiencing right now is quite literally the calm before the storm.
As I've said, Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet.
Since the referendum took place, nothing has changed in terms of leaving the EU. The UK's "divorce" hasn't happened; we've talked about separating, but the lawyers haven't been called in yet. The process and the negotiations haven't begun, and won't until next year(And there's still debate as to whether or not starting the process can actually be blocked, just to add to this mess). What we've had so far has been nothing more than the reaction to the result of the referendum.
As for the underlined, nor is it guaranteed to succeed. And the farce that UK politics has devolved into since the referendum doesn't inspire optimism.
Perhaps, but that has to be balanced against the EU's desire to keep other countries that are talking about leaving from doing so.
