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Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 10:36 PM
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 10:25 PM) *

It is not only the final nail in the coffin for proper TES games, it's the smoking gun that shot it dead.

Not to mention it being emblematic of virtually everything that's wrong in the current games market.

You'd better believe I hate it.


Are you saying it's streamlined?

Let's all be honest here, all TES games are always more streamlined than the last.

Even are beloved Oblivion is defintatly a bit easier to understand than MW.

Also I don't think we as humans, understand how powerful the word hate is.

Hate is something that drives a man to take a human life, this is video games....and they r srs buzsiness


Skyrim is a monument to style over substance: a gutted magic system to allow for visual effects. Differences in race now little more than aesthetics. Attributes removed in favour of a perk system that's literally written in the stars, armour parts merged in favour of appearance. And don't getme started on the whole radiant quest mechanic.

And then there's the pandering to the epic junkies: Battling dragons all over the place. The entirety of the shout mechanic. Two weapon fighting implemented in the most idiotic way possible. And a main quest that effectively pits you against the destroyer of the universe.

And then there's the whole "too spreadsheety" debacle.

I could keep on going, but these in my mind are the biggies, and without even a mention of streamlining.
mirocu
Apr 10 2014, 10:47 PM
Easy now, fellas.. mellow.gif


Well, I´m signing off for today. See ya! biggrin.gif

sleep.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 10:54 PM
Impy asked, I've answered.

I've said my piece, and I'm not inclined to dwell on the subject any longer.


Later, 'Rocu
ImperialSnob
Apr 10 2014, 11:03 PM
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 10:36 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 10:25 PM) *

It is not only the final nail in the coffin for proper TES games, it's the smoking gun that shot it dead.

Not to mention it being emblematic of virtually everything that's wrong in the current games market.

You'd better believe I hate it.


Are you saying it's streamlined?

Let's all be honest here, all TES games are always more streamlined than the last.

Even are beloved Oblivion is defintatly a bit easier to understand than MW.

Also I don't think we as humans, understand how powerful the word hate is.

Hate is something that drives a man to take a human life, this is video games....and they r srs buzsiness


Skyrim is a monument to style over substance: a gutted magic system to allow for visual effects. Differences in race now little more than aesthetics. Attributes removed in favour of a perk system that's literally written in the stars, armour parts merged in favour of appearance. And don't getme started on the whole radiant quest mechanic.

And then there's the pandering to the epic junkies: Battling dragons all over the place. The entirety of the shout mechanic. Two weapon fighting implemented in the most idiotic way possible. And a main quest that effectively pits you against the destroyer of the universe.

And then there's the whole "too spreadsheety" debacle.

I could keep on going, but these in my mind are the biggies, and without even a mention of streamlining.


1.No, the magic system isn't gutted.

2.There were never really that different in Oblivion besides some useful racials.

3.I like the perk system alot actually.

4.Can't disagree with that though.

5.It's pretty alright, it was a bit over hyped.

6."Pandering" yeah right, the dragon fights are fun albeit they could of been a bit less frequent. The shout mechanic is fun though, and it fits in with the story. The dual wielding is done as well as they could of done it.
Yes...and what was the OB MQ again...oh right...it pitted you against the destroyer of the universe. Yeah.

7.What? Too spreadsheety? No it's not.

EDIT:You don't want to dwell on it any longer? It's a video game not some controversial topic.

Hayley Williams new hair, now that's controversial.

Still a 9.5/10
King Of Beasts
Apr 10 2014, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(Black Hand @ Apr 9 2014, 11:58 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Apr 9 2014, 06:18 PM) *

Why is 6 afraid of 7?


Because 7 8 9....

Why is McBadgere afraid of 1066?


No because 7 is a registered sex offender
Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 11:17 PM
*Sigh*

As you wish...

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 10:36 PM) *

Skyrim is a monument to style over substance: a gutted magic system to allow for visual effects. Differences in race now little more than aesthetics. Attributes removed in favour of a perk system that's literally written in the stars, armour parts merged in favour of appearance. And don't getme started on the whole radiant quest mechanic.

And then there's the pandering to the epic junkies: Battling dragons all over the place. The entirety of the shout mechanic. Two weapon fighting implemented in the most idiotic way possible. And a main quest that effectively pits you against the destroyer of the universe.

And then there's the whole "too spreadsheety" debacle.

I could keep on going, but these in my mind are the biggies, and without even a mention of streamlining.


1.No, the magic system isn't gutted.


An entire school of magic: removed. Numerous spell effects: removed. The ability to create your own spells and thereby customise your character's use of magic: removed.

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

2.There were never really that different in Oblivion besides some useful racials.


Compare an Oblivion Orc to an Oblivion Altmer, before picking a birthsign:

The Orc is half again as srtong as the Altmer, with a carrying capacity to match, and will be more damaging with melee weapons as a result. He is partially resistant to magicka, he has greater health, but his lower personality means lower disposition with those he meets. and then there's his once a day ability.

Meanwhile the Altmer is naturally resistant to disease, carries an inherent weakness to all three elments, and has significantly more mgicka than the Orc.

That's without taking into account skill bonuses. Can you honestly say Skyrim matches that?

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

3.I like the perk system alot actually.


If the perk system were something more like Fallout's it might have had some merit, as it stands it is a particularly poor substitute for attributes, and has a large number of perks that are simply percentage increases.

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

5.It's pretty alright, it was a bit over hyped.


It was a lazy attempt to add greater staying power to the game, not to mention being criminally overused.

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

6."Pandering" yeah right, the dragon fights are fun albeit they could of been a bit less frequent. The shout mechanic is fun though, and it fits in with the story. The dual wielding is done as well as they could of done it.
Yes...and what was the OB MQ again...oh right...it pitted you against the destroyer of the universe. Yeah.


Yes, pandering. Dragons are all too often brought in as one of the biggest, most dangerous enemies fantasy has to offer. How many can you fight in Skyrim?

The shouts are magic for those who don't want to play mages, and the reason the magic system was gutted.

Dual wielding simply shouldn't be in a game of this type. In something like Morrowind, where character skill determines ability to hit, perhaps. Trying to fight with a weapon in each hand is at best going to result in a great many misses, and would get a novice attempting it killed in seconds.

And Oblivion has you

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 10 2014, 10:59 PM) *

7.What? Too spreadsheety? No it's not.


"Too spreadsheety" was said by Todd Howard, I believe in reference to attributes and/or spellmaking (can't remember precisely, can't be bothered to dig out the quote). Regardless, it was used as a reason for the removal of features. Frankly it's ridiculous.

And now I'm really done. I have stated my opinion, and explained it. I see no reason to continue arguing back and forth about it.
Vital
Apr 10 2014, 11:29 PM
Just gonna say I'm actually on the fence as far as skyrim is concerned. It is undoubtably that the
game is 'simplified' for a wider-audience and this annoys me. However it's still a good world and I can easily RP around most things. On the whole I still greatly enjoyed the game.

One thing I will say is that more streamlining occurred between daggerfall morrowind and oblivion than between oblivion and skyrim.

Magic was undoubtedly streamlined. Purely on the decrease in spell-types. I liked bein able to dual-cast spells and the way the early destruction spells flow is cool. Dragons were a bit of an overkill but TEs fans have been asking for dragons long before the attention lacking little kids arrived. Dual-wielding again was a popular request among long time TES fans and not being able to block actually makes it balanced. If you could block there'd be no point in having a shield.

The leveling system was overly-simple. But the previous system was broken anyway. Any class system where I have to choose skills I will never use to stop my character from being destroyed is broken. Bethesda simply decided to scratch it instead of fix it. Not a good choice but no game-breaking.

Also, haven't we always been the potential destroyer of the world? Skyrim just took it more literally.

Overall Skyrim is definitely streamlined to an extent that does the series no favors in my eyes but is it hate-able even without even playing? Not really. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 11:37 PM
Mornin' Vital laugh.gif

For you any rate.

I'll be getting some shuteye soon
Vital
Apr 10 2014, 11:40 PM
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 08:37 AM) *

Mornin' Vital laugh.gif

For you any rate.

I'll be getting some shuteye soon

laugh.gif evenin' Callidus.

Got my daily debate out of the way so what's up?
Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 11:45 PM
Nothing much.

Just reading some Buffy the Bowgirl

Not particularly tired, so I'll probably get through another couple of pages before I call it a night.
Vital
Apr 10 2014, 11:54 PM
Cool.. I still haven't read much of the fan-fic here. It's definitely high in the to-do list. That and writing my own fic.

Well it's the last day of term here, so I'll have lots of time to get some things done over the next two weeks. tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 10 2014, 11:57 PM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 10 2014, 11:54 PM) *

Cool.. I still haven't read much of the fan-fic here. It's definitely high in the to-do list. That and writing my own fic.


It's my third time reading it biggrin.gif Definitely worth being high on the list.

And I'm on my third attempt at writing a fanfic. laugh.gif

Good luck for when you start yours.
McBadgere
Apr 11 2014, 03:46 AM
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 11:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 10 2014, 11:54 PM) *

Cool.. I still haven't read much of the fan-fic here. It's definitely high in the to-do list. That and writing my own fic.


It's my third time reading it biggrin.gif Definitely worth being high on the list.



Agreed...It is bloody awesome...


QUOTE

And I'm on my third attempt at writing a fanfic. laugh.gif


Perhaps not changing your characters so often might keep you focussed... biggrin.gif ...

QUOTE

Good luck for when you start yours.


Seconded...Putting your characters you invented into situations that have been inspired by the game, and then magnified or simply altered beyond all recognition is an awesome feeling... biggrin.gif ...
Acadian
Apr 11 2014, 04:11 AM
Aww, thanks CT and McB for the kind words about Buffy's story. happy.gif

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 10 2014, 07:46 PM) *
...Putting your characters you invented into situations that have been inspired by the game, and then magnified or simply altered beyond all recognition is an awesome feeling... biggrin.gif ...
Quoted for the simple beauty contained in those words, oh Wise Badger.

Best of luck to all of us as we navigate the challenges of crafting fan fic.
Darkness Eternal
Apr 11 2014, 05:07 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 10 2014, 11:54 PM) *

Cool.. I still haven't read much of the fan-fic here. It's definitely high in the to-do list. That and writing my own fic.

Well it's the last day of term here, so I'll have lots of time to get some things done over the next two weeks. tongue.gif

Do it! Help briing the fanfic section back to life!
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM
Mornin'

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 03:46 AM) *

Agreed...It is bloody awesome...

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 03:46 AM) *

Seconded...Putting your characters you invented into situations that have been inspired by the game, and then magnified or simply altered beyond all recognition is an awesome feeling... biggrin.gif ...


Loki's twisted scrotum!!!

I think like McB!! panic.gif

rollinglaugh.gif

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 03:46 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 10 2014, 11:57 PM) *

And I'm on my third attempt at writing a fanfic. laugh.gif

Perhaps not changing your characters so often might keep you focussed... biggrin.gif ...


Well if they'd only stop dying then I'd be able to focus on one. laugh.gif

Well, if the characters would stopdying and if I stopped making sizable mistakes with the writing...
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 07:48 AM
Morn´ , folks! biggrin.gif
McBadgere
Apr 11 2014, 08:45 AM
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM) *

Loki's twisted scrotum!!!

I think like McB!! panic.gif

rollinglaugh.gif



*Draws a line in the air*...

Another one down... cool.gif ...

QUOTE(thorny-boy)

Well, if the characters would stopdying and if I stopped making sizable mistakes with the writing...


Well, the "Dead Is Dead" thing isn't going to help in that regard, is it?...Just reload and carry on maybe?...
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 08:46 AM
Oh, boy. McB screwed up the quote.. tongue.gif
McBadgere
Apr 11 2014, 08:49 AM
Yup...And I've wasted some ridiculous amount of time trying to fix it... laugh.gif ...

Laters Crow-Boy... wink.gif ...

Oh, y'alright btw?...

Laters...
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 08:53 AM
I´m good! biggrin.gif

I just wish you hadn´t adopted Vital´s, Kobby´s and Thorny´s habit of post-and-run. I wanted to have a chat tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 08:45 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM) *

Well, if the characters would stopdying and if I stopped making sizable mistakes with the writing...


Well, the "Dead Is Dead" thing isn't going to help in that regard, is it?...Just reload and carry on maybe?...


For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

@'Rocu: I do not not post-and-run.

I am a sometime practitioner of hit-and-run posting.
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:28 AM
You post-and-runner, you.. tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 09:32 AM
QUOTE

You post-and-runner, you.. tongue.gif


Bah!

I was hit-and-run posting before Vital even signed up.

His is the incorrect terminology, not mine!
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:34 AM
I think it´s more accurate with post-and-run. If you hit-and-run it means you hit someone and then run away but here you just post and run away, you never hit biggrin.gif

I guess once again we´ll have to agree to disagree, right..? tongue.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 09:36 AM
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 05:53 PM) *

I´m good! biggrin.gif

I just wish you hadn´t adopted Vital´s, Kobby´s and Thorny´s habit of post-and-run. I wanted to have a chat tongue.gif

It's not just a habit. It's a way of life


tongue.gif

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 06:26 PM) *

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 08:45 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM) *

Well, if the characters would stopdying and if I stopped making sizable mistakes with the writing...


Well, the "Dead Is Dead" thing isn't going to help in that regard, is it?...Just reload and carry on maybe?...


For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

The same for me. When I first started playing oblivion and morrowind my characters were 'dead is reload' I got one character to an A-bomb from that tongue.gif Around the time I was creating my next character I was exposed to the idea of DiD and since then have never been able to play any other way . I've had a few characters that I've been very reluctant to stop and of course it's never easy just dropping a character. However DiD can be really immersive and add another layer to the game.

I can't bare to think of how I would feel if my current skyrim character Ravos died. At level 42 and almost having finished I'm really connected to him, in fact he's maybe my favorite TES character ever. But at level 42 he's practically invincible (while still being fun to play) so it doesn't really matter...
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:38 AM
I guess you could say I also do DiD with Lothran but since he´s also practically invulnerable it doesn´t matter either mellow.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 09:41 AM
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 09:34 AM) *

I think it´s more accurate with post-and-run. If you hit-and-run it means you hit someone and then run away but here you just post and run away, you never hit biggrin.gif

I guess once again we´ll have to agree to disagree, right..? tongue.gif


Sounds like a plan...

QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 09:36 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 06:26 PM) *

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 08:45 AM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 07:30 AM) *

Well, if the characters would stopdying and if I stopped making sizable mistakes with the writing...


Well, the "Dead Is Dead" thing isn't going to help in that regard, is it?...Just reload and carry on maybe?...


For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

The same for me. When I first started playing oblivion and morrowind my characters were 'dead is reload' I got one character to an A-bomb from that tongue.gif Around the time I was creating my next character I was exposed to the idea of DiD and since then have never been able to play any other way . I've had a few characters that I've been very reluctant to stop and of course it's never easy just dropping a character. However DiD can be really immersive and add another layer to the game.


I know what you mean. It makes the whole game feel different. Every fight is literally a matter of life and death for a character. Going back to it simply meaning a reload would be impossible.
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:49 AM
I do try my best never to die in any game whether it´s Oblivion, Fallout 3 or whatever. But if I should fail then I do reload. Though I have to admit, it never feels good doing it.. kvleft.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 09:50 AM
Well Mirocu, first post on page 1500 looks to be all yours...

With Vital gone there's no way for me to claim it.
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:53 AM
Mine...? huh.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 09:54 AM
Yup.
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 09:58 AM
Huh. kvleft.gif

Oh, well... I didn´t even notice we were gonna break the 1500 mark until you posted the notice tongue.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 09:59 AM
Dammit! I missed another milestone laugh.gif
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:01 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 10:59 AM) *

Dammit! I missed another milestone laugh.gif

No worries. Now we can look forward to the 2K mark laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 10:03 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 09:59 AM) *

Dammit! I missed another milestone laugh.gif


Well...

Maybe if you stuck around after posting tongue.gif

laugh.gif

Anyway, I'm outta here guys.

Catch y'all later
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:05 AM
Later biggrin.gif

Now what to do..? dry.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 10:11 AM
You can talk to me biggrin.gif
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:18 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:11 AM) *

You can talk to me biggrin.gif

I guess... dry.gif


*sigh*
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 10:19 AM
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 07:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:11 AM) *

You can talk to me biggrin.gif

I guess... dry.gif


*sigh*

Oi dry.gif
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:21 AM
JUST KIDDING!! biggrin.gif laugh.gif

What you wanna talk about, buddy-boy? happy.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 10:39 AM
Ummm..... mellow.gif

I don't know...

What's up?

mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:44 AM
Nothing exciting here mellow.gif

I´m thinking about calling this other place which keeps turning me down. Might do it just to do something tongue.gif Oh, and about this phase 3 stuff I´ve been talking about. It seems like I only get 60% then instead of the 80% I have now, and that´s for doing nothing at all! blink.gif And if I get a position somewhere I have to drive to I effectively lose money every day so I might as well don´t give a damn and just stay at home with no payment at all!

Hoo-rah, Sweden... dry.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 10:49 AM
Confusing....

So you get more money for staying home than you do for working??? Makes complete sense
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 10:53 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:49 AM) *

Confusing....

So you get more money for staying home than you do for working???

The way the program is designed, yes wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif
Callidus Thorn
Apr 11 2014, 10:59 AM
What the-???
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 11:05 AM
Modern day Sweden, bro. Modern day Sweden.. biggrin.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 11:08 AM
Sweden get ready! Vital's coming laugh.gif
mirocu
Apr 11 2014, 11:08 AM
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 12:08 PM) *

Sweden get ready! Vital's coming laugh.gif

You want this system? tongue.gif
Vital
Apr 11 2014, 11:16 AM
laugh.gif well... it's probably not as good in practice but getting paid for no work?

Hell Yeah laugh.gif
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