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Elisabeth Hollow
Yeah, I actually would get a discoubt at Target. O don't at my current job.
King Of Beasts
So, when you gonna quit your current job?
Elisabeth Hollow
If he doesn't fire me today, then as soon as I know when Orientation is.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 09:54 AM) *

If he doesn't fire me today, then as soon as I know when Orientation is.


What makes ya think he'll fire ya today?
McBadgere
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 06:17 PM) *

Yeah, I actually would get a discoubt at Target. O don't at my current job.


Well, at least you didn't go for the typing one in the end... tongue.gif ... laugh.gif ...

biggrin.gif ...

Apologies, I seem to be having a bad eon...As you were...
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Jun 12 2013, 01:14 PM) *

QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 06:17 PM) *

Yeah, I actually would get a discoubt at Target. O don't at my current job.


Well, at least you didn't go for the typing one in the end... tongue.gif ... laugh.gif ...

biggrin.gif ...

Apologies, I seem to be having a bad eon...As you were...

Effects of exhaustion lol
mirocu
Congrats to your job there, Liz! Hope you´re gonna like it smile.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
I have a feeling it'll show me just how out of shape I am lol
mirocu
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 09:35 PM) *

I have a feeling it'll show me just how out of shape I am lol

Really? What kind of job is it? PT? biggrin.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jun 12 2013, 02:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 09:35 PM) *

I have a feeling it'll show me just how out of shape I am lol

Really? What kind of job is it? PT? biggrin.gif

I gotta unload a 1,600-2,500 piece truck every single day I work, lol

Which is Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for sure.
Black Hand
Bleh, I did the Target seasonal job thingy. Its not too bad. You'll most likely get assigned to a department, unload the truck with everyone else, stacking the boxes onto pallets, then spend the rest of the shift stocking those pallets onto your departments shelves.

Orientation = A bunch of paperwork that I threw away almost as soon as I got it.

Get some decent gloves to protect your hands from all the cardboard. I reccomend Mechanix, and the grey dot stickers mean your out of that product but it should be ordered and on the way.

There youve been trained.
Darkness Eternal
Congrats, Liz. I am happy for you, you deserve it after all the crap you've put up with.

mALX


Congrats Liz! I'm sure you will be much happier at the new job !!!!!



King Coin
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 11:30 AM) *

I got the job. Just need to get a drug test done. Then wait for them to call me for orientation.

Good job! Finally out of that cesspool.

I find it very strange that you are always the person covering for other people, and yet they treat you so poorly.
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(King Coin @ Jun 13 2013, 01:15 AM) *



I find it very strange that you are always the person covering for other people, and yet they treat you so poorly.

Being nice goes a long way, but it also means people can take advantage of you and use you for their benefit. Nice people, sometimes, finish last.
King Coin
QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jun 12 2013, 07:17 PM) *

Being nice goes a long way, but it also means people can take advantage of you and use you for their benefit. Nice people, sometimes, finish last.

Clearly they don't think she's bad at her job if they are having her cover extra hours all the time.
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(King Coin @ Jun 13 2013, 01:24 AM) *

QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jun 12 2013, 07:17 PM) *

Being nice goes a long way, but it also means people can take advantage of you and use you for their benefit. Nice people, sometimes, finish last.

Clearly they don't think she's bad at her job if they are having her cover extra hours all the time.

Obviously she isn't bad at her job, but you'd be surprised at how many times someone's perceived lack of efficiency doesn't matter when they need employees to cover a shift.
Elisabeth Hollow
I got a final warning today. I also told my boss everything. I told him ove been sick, how I spend twenty minutes in the bathroom hovered over the toilet when I'm stressed, and how O feel like he has it out for me. He said he doesn't. He said I NEED to talk to him about what's going on.

Okay, maybe I do.

I told him I can't verbalize when something is wrong. I can wrote it sown just great, but face to face makes me panic. Hetold me from now on, write it down, if that's what it takes to get me to let him know what's going on.

And he bought me lunch.

Confused. Maybe I misread him.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 12 2013, 05:14 PM) *

I got a final warning today. I also told my boss everything. I told him ove been sick, how I spend twenty minutes in the bathroom hovered over the toilet when I'm stressed, and how O feel like he has it out for me. He said he doesn't. He said I NEED to talk to him about what's going on.

Okay, maybe I do.

I told him I can't verbalize when something is wrong. I can wrote it sown just great, but face to face makes me panic. Hetold me from now on, write it down, if that's what it takes to get me to let him know what's going on.

And he bought me lunch.

Confused. Maybe I misread him.


That's a surprise. Maybe he just didn't know you were so stressed...
Elisabeth Hollow
I guess not. Maybe he thought I looked exhausted, pale, and broken out al the time XD
mALX


Watch out, the snake is planning to bite when it is smiling.



Black Hand
mALX speaks the truth. Take it from a reformed serpent.

Written is easier to prove than spoken.
mALX


Listen to Blackie, Liz. Never put anything in writing, you can't change what was said in it. You would be giving him a written confession that you can't do your job and were in the bathroom - he'd have all the proof he needs to fire you and you couldn't collect unemployment.


Black Hand
QUOTE(mALX @ Jun 12 2013, 06:55 PM) *

Listen to Blackie, Liz. Never put anything in writing, you can't change what was said in it. You would be giving him a written confession that you can't do your job and were in the bathroom - he'd have all the proof he needs to fire you and you couldn't collect unemployment.


Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

The Black Hand and mALX knows...


Hehehehahahahah....
King Of Beasts
Yeah, definitely don't trust him. Like mALX said, he could be deceiving you.....










On another note, CJ Got a New haircut....
King Coin
And DE, good luck.
mALX
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jun 12 2013, 10:05 PM) *

Yeah, definitely don't trust him. Like mALX said, he could be deceiving you.....

On another note, CJ Got a New haircut....



How adorable is that !!



@ Blackie - "Shadow hide you" Lol.


@ Liz - It is truth though Liz. This new manager is out to get you, he's proven that. Never trust him, especially if he is suddenly being nice. He's getting your defenses down to strike. You need to learn to ALWAYS CYA = cover your ass. Always, always ALWAYS CYA - especially around someone you know is out to get you. He is building a paper trail, you should build one too.

Example. Every single time he writes you up or gives you verbals - he has you sign something that goes into your permanent work record. They are covering their asses for firing you with a paper trail. You have to cover yours back

Everything that goes into your permanent work record - you are entitled to a copy of it. Insist on that, and take the copies home with you. Why? Because that paper you are signing has a section right above where your signature goes to put in your version of the events, or anything else work related.

You know this guy is out to fire you, and he is the type that will succeed no matter what he has to pull to do it.

Before you sign that paper, list off anything they have done to harass you (like tasking you with fifteen chores that take you from the front when the place is packed with customers and if you left the front he would have written you up for that ) - that was a trap and you know it. You were damned if you did and damned if you didn't - so write it down above your signature and tell him you want a copy of it for your personal records.

I've gone up against union busters doing that, and they can't bring those records in against you because it proves they were harrassing you.

CYA. When they back you against the wall, come out fighing. You may still lose your job, but they won't have a paper trail to keep you from getting the unemployment you earned.


mirocu
Sounds like your job would suit me, Liz. If you ever need someone on your side working with you, give me a call wink.gif
ThatSkyrimGuy
I'm confused...I thought there was a new, better job, so who give's a rat's fart what the old boss thinks?...Perhaps I missed something... blink.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(ThatSkyrimGuy @ Jun 13 2013, 06:37 AM) *

I'm confused...I thought there was a new, better job, so who give's a rat's fart what the old boss thinks?...Perhaps I missed something... blink.gif

There's a new job, but dunno about a better job.

And I've yet to even start orientation for said new job lol

I get the sentiment, though.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 13 2013, 03:41 AM) *

QUOTE(ThatSkyrimGuy @ Jun 13 2013, 06:37 AM) *

I'm confused...I thought there was a new, better job, so who give's a rat's fart what the old boss thinks?...Perhaps I missed something... blink.gif

There's a new job, but dunno about a better job.

And I've yet to even start orientation for said new job lol

I get the sentiment, though.


I hope all gets well for ya Liz. Hopefully target will treat you much better....
Black Hand
Retail sucks no matter what.

It has more to do with the quality of the people you work with, and to be frank unskilled labor doesn't tend to attract the best and the brightest. Finish school, take a class for a trade, do something; anything to move forward.

As my late Father once told me:

"Be an artist, yes. Pursue your dreams. Not much point to living otherwise. Just don't be a starving artist, you can be successful and have paid your dues without living in the slums and looking emaciated. Pain doesn't force your talents to the surface, necessity does. If you want to succeed as bad as you need to breathe, you'll be successful."

"Further, living wisely and within your means during the meantime will teach you how to manage your successes when you finally do make it. Can't tell you how many people I've seen try so hard to get to the next level, only to go from having virtually nothing, to losing everything because they never made that much money before, and went nuts with their income."

I worked at a sandwich place for eight years prior to my current employment, it took thirteen weeks at an EMT course to change it all.

I don't 'work' in the traditional sense. We pick up patients and drop them off three miles down the road. I get paid to practice my calligraphy on runs, I sleep during our three hour breaks. The positivity that finally seeped into my life changed me on a very fundamental level. Patients normally demand that certain crews never pick them up. My partner and I are the only crew that patients demand that we *do* pick them up.

Most folks at the company like me, and in a couple of cases absolutely adore me. I had a resting blood pressure of 160/90 when I was working at the sandwich place, because I was so stressed. I had hypertension.

As of 10:15 am on June 13th, 2013, my BP monitor is telling me 115/78 and pulse of 86. Point being: I don't have a whole lot to stress over much anymore.

You are the only one who can change your own life. Further, you *can* change your life. We change by the speed of the choices that we make, and all any of it is, is a choice.

As Burt Reynolds told a character in the X-Files once:

"There's a secret to this game, and I'm going to tell you what the secret is."

"Choose better."
Elisabeth Hollow
Black Hand, I love you.
King Of Beasts
I agree with you Black Hand. Retail always sucks, one way or another, but some stores are better than others. I worked at the gas station at one point. Dude, they treated me like [censored] in the most legal way possible. The customers were no better. I couldn't stand that place. One day I came in for my shift, and there were three bullet holes in the glass to the counter.

Nope. Didn't stay....
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jun 13 2013, 12:32 PM) *

One day I came in for my shift, and there were three bullet holes in the glass to the counter.

Nope. Didn't stay....

Dd I tell you another one of our stores got robbed yesterday? it was further away from my store, but at the same time, I'm so tired of it, dude. I'm scared.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 13 2013, 09:40 AM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jun 13 2013, 12:32 PM) *

One day I came in for my shift, and there were three bullet holes in the glass to the counter.

Nope. Didn't stay....

Dd I tell you another one of our stores got robbed yesterday? it was further away from my store, but at the same time, I'm so tired of it, dude. I'm scared.


Again?! Dude, you have to try to get outta there before your store ends up getting robbed....

haute ecole rider
QUOTE(mALX @ Jun 13 2013, 01:10 AM) *

@ Liz - It is truth though Liz. This new manager is out to get you, he's proven that. Never trust him, especially if he is suddenly being nice. He's getting your defenses down to strike. You need to learn to ALWAYS CYA = cover your ass. Always, always ALWAYS CYA - especially around someone you know is out to get you. He is building a paper trail, you should build one too.

Example. Every single time he writes you up or gives you verbals - he has you sign something that goes into your permanent work record. They are covering their asses for firing you with a paper trail. You have to cover yours back

Everything that goes into your permanent work record - you are entitled to a copy of it. Insist on that, and take the copies home with you. Why? Because that paper you are signing has a section right above where your signature goes to put in your version of the events, or anything else work related.

You know this guy is out to fire you, and he is the type that will succeed no matter what he has to pull to do it.

Before you sign that paper, list off anything they have done to harass you (like tasking you with fifteen chores that take you from the front when the place is packed with customers and if you left the front he would have written you up for that ) - that was a trap and you know it. You were damned if you did and damned if you didn't - so write it down above your signature and tell him you want a copy of it for your personal records.

I've gone up against union busters doing that, and they can't bring those records in against you because it proves they were harrassing you.

CYA. When they back you against the wall, come out fighing. You may still lose your job, but they won't have a paper trail to keep you from getting the unemployment you earned.


I have to disagree with you, mALX. I'm not sure how it is where Liz works, but Illinois, where I am, is an at-will state. That has many implications, including the fact that they don't need to provide a reason for firing you. Also, you collect unemployment when you are fired, but not when you quit. That is why many bad managers try to make working conditions so unbearable for you that you quit. Then they don't have to pay unemployment!

Liz, documentation of the issues you're having at work is vital. The number of times you've had to close on short notice, the times you've been called in because no one else showed up to cover shifts, those sorts of things point to poor management and can serve as grounds for an unfavorable working environment that is compromising your health and interfering with your ability to function at your job. When push comes to shove, you need to have documentation (include dates, times and any conversations you may have with your boss) that shows the management is not treating you well. mALX is right in that performance reviews is CYA on the part of management, but having your own documentation is CYA for yourself as well. If you are fired, and try to collect unemployment and they dispute this, then you have no recourse if you don't have your own documentation as well.

And your manager may not be so bad, if he wants you to write it down. mALX may have a point and her assessment of the situation may be right, but then again, I sense a strong bias in her responses which are fairly based on her own experiences through her life (which hasn't been easy, I believe). She is giving you the benefit of her hard-earned experience of bad management. I am also doing the same - in my experience, bad management isn't necessarily duplicitous (unless they're lawyers kvleft.gif ) so much as they are just plain stupid. Of course, my being deaf gives me an advantage - I can always counter any disputes with the issue that they created an unfair working environment for me under ADA rules. Because I don't require much accommodation, I can get away with it. I don't play that card often, but I know it's there, and they know it's there.

I haven't been on the Coffee Shop much lately, but I've been aware of many of your issues at this dollar store. I'm glad you got the job at Target - overall the company has a much better reputation than most retail companies, so you should do well as long as you perform your duties. Do work on your communication issues - from the start make it clear to your managers that you have difficulty expressing yourself when something is bothering you. I'm the same way - I don't like to talk about negatives, either, especially with the managers. Like you, I tend to shut down. But if the managers know that you have this issue, the good ones will make the extra effort to encourage you to communicate any problems you may be having more effectively. That is the case here at my current employment.

I've worked in clinics that were poorly managed, and am currently working in the best retail company in the whole world. I wouldn't trade this job for a return to my profession - there are extremely few clinics that are managed the way this retail company is. All I can say is this is the way Retail ought to be.

But Target comes pretty damn close, so CONGRATS again! Make the most of this opportunity! This is your chance to change your life! biggrin.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
So he promoted a cashier and fired the other assistant. I really thought I was next.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 13 2013, 01:46 PM) *

So he promoted a cashier and fired the other assistant. I really thought I was next.


I doubt they're planning to fire you. They would have already of they were, don't you think?
Elisabeth Hollow
I don't know anymore.
Kiln
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 13 2013, 11:00 PM) *

I don't know anymore.

It is okay Liz. Life sucks for all of us. One thing that is always true is that when you're at the bottom, the only way is up.

I've been there more than I care to admit, I hope things improve for you.
mALX


@ Treydog - hope you faired through that storm okay, WBIR said the funnel may have touched down in your area, they've been showing all the damage on the news. Hope you and Mrs Treydog made it through fine.


treydog
QUOTE(mALX @ Jun 14 2013, 12:36 AM) *

@ Treydog - hope you faired through that storm okay, WBIR said the funnel may have touched down in your area, they've been showing all the damage on the news. Hope you and Mrs Treydog made it through fine.

I happened to be home and watching the "Burn Notice" marathon when they made the announcement. I was getting ready to dive into the tub with a mattress until they made clear it was east and north of me and moving further east. So- lots of rain but no damage here. A tree did block Chapman Hwy. (The 4-lane Mrs. Treydog uses to get home.)
mirocu
Sounds like you just dodged a storm there, treyyie. Good thing nothing bad happened to you smile.gif Although mrs Treydog may have had to walk home tongue.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
Hi, mirocu!!
mirocu
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 14 2013, 04:59 PM) *

Hi, mirocu!!

Hello, Lizzie dearest! happy.gif biggrin.gif Havin´ a good day I hope? smile.gif
King Of Beasts
Hi Liz and mirocu! tongue.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jun 14 2013, 10:02 AM) *

QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 14 2013, 04:59 PM) *

Hi, mirocu!!

Hello, Lizzie dearest! happy.gif biggrin.gif Havin´ a good day I hope? smile.gif

About to get up and shower and go get my nails done for my sister's wedding tomorrow smile.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 14 2013, 05:10 PM) *

About to get up and shower and go get my nails done for my sister's wedding tomorrow smile.gif

She´s getting married? Poor, poor man who doesn´t know any better! laugh.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jun 14 2013, 10:12 AM) *

QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jun 14 2013, 05:10 PM) *

About to get up and shower and go get my nails done for my sister's wedding tomorrow smile.gif

She´s getting married? Poor, poor man who doesn´t know any better! laugh.gif

I feel bad for both of them. They're both pretty insufferable XD
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