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mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 12:57 AM) *

This one wonders why there is such a big delay between the log in days and receiving the crates? Khajiit is going to be quite annoyed if his crates contain nothing but potions. Though, he concedes that they don't have to give us any crates at all.



I'm just glad to be getting presents at all !!!! laugh.gif



RaderOfTheLostArk
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 5 2017, 03:10 PM) *

Congratulations !!!! Awesome !!!!

...

EVERYBODY: DON'T FORGET TO LOG IN TODAY AND FOR THE NEXT 5 DAYS (during daylight hours) TO GET YOUR FREE CROWN CRATES!


Thanks, mALX. So I logged in yesterday but didn't get a crate. Is that after I register for that free ESO+ trial? What constitutes daylight hours? Maybe I was on too late to get the crowns? Hoping to have enough crowns to get a Guar, and I still have my 500 crowns from when I bought the ESO Gold Edition.

QUOTE(Acadian @ Jul 5 2017, 03:47 PM) *

Rader - Congrats to Cinncinatus! Buffy sacrificed Varen as well. Her logic was two fold. First, Varen had already lived a long, full life compared to his younger companions. Secondly, during their several quests together Buffy grew quite close to Lyris. So sacrificing Lyris was off the table. And being a widow herself, Buffy would never intentionally allow Lyris to suffer the same by sacrificing Sai away from her. The reward for completing Cadwell's Silver is the Soul Shriven motif ability, which I kind of like for some things.


Thanks, Acadian. That was also part of my logic. Cincinnatus had grown fond of Lyris and Sai and didn't want to separate them.

For this character at least, doing Cadwell's Silver doesn't fit him. And I just want to go do some traveling and other quests. Actually did a few in Auridon last night. I also just don't really feel like doing another Alliance questline. If I create another character, I might do it. But there is so much other content to do too.
Acadian
On the free crate a day, they will be delivered after the event is over. Also, the free crates are only for current ESO+ subscribers as kind of a 'loyalty reward'. That way, those of us who already have ESO+ get something nice from the event. smile.gif

For those without ESO+, what you can get is a free trial of ESO+ to see if you like it. I think you can 'buy' the free trial in the crown store for 0 crowns. The craftibag and ability to dye costumes are the two biggest draws for me. Oh, and the simplicity of simply getting all the DLC instead of buying each one.

Edit: Oh, here's a good summary of the event: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/0...dlc-packs-free/
mALX
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 6 2017, 10:55 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 5 2017, 03:10 PM) *

Congratulations !!!! Awesome !!!!

...

EVERYBODY: DON'T FORGET TO LOG IN TODAY AND FOR THE NEXT 5 DAYS (during daylight hours) TO GET YOUR FREE CROWN CRATES!


Thanks, mALX. So I logged in yesterday but didn't get a crate. Is that after I register for that free ESO+ trial? What constitutes daylight hours? Maybe I was on too late to get the crowns? Hoping to have enough crowns to get a Guar, and I still have my 500 crowns from when I bought the ESO Gold Edition.


What Acadian said.

You will only get the free Crown Crates if you already have the ESO Plus (paid) membership. The people getting the free trial of ESO will not be eligible for the free crates, (or if you play ESO without using the paid (Plus) membership you will also not be eligible for those crates).

If during the event you didn't have the paid membership originally, but go ahead and buy the ESO Plus membership, then you will get a free crate for the days you log on AFTER you bought the membership.

*** Daylight hours were based on Eastern (Daylight Savings) Time. The article said they were starting it at 10 a.m. EDT yesterday and ends at around 10 p.m. on the 9th. So log on between 10 a.m. and 10 p.m. Eastern time every day = (ask Acadian, he can tell you by your time zone what time that would be in your time zone).

Receiving the crates: On the 17th of July they will send you the crates that you earned during the event (by how many days you logged in during the 5 days they were giving them away).

This is Zenimax's way of thanking the people who support the game by paying for their membership. I pay for mine because:

1. Accelerated XP for your characters
2. The Craftbag = unlimited storage for crafting items helps tremendously keep my inventory down
3. Double the bank space for ESO Plus members
4. Free play of all DLC (so I can test run it. I do actually buy the ones I want if they go on sale, just so if I ever stop the paid membership I can have them.
5. The ability to dye my costumes
6. Double the inventory space in my houses
7. Great rewards for my support and loyalty like these Crown Crates at varied events!!!

** And they give you 1500 per month in Crowns to spend with the paid subscription!


** Crown Crates don't contain Crowns, they have a small assortment (4-5 items) of random items that are hopefully desirable = mounts, pets, costumes, scrolls, potions, poisons, etc.




TheCheshireKhajiit
Yes!!! Razum-Dar came through! Feng-Do is now back on the right track!
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 12:23 PM) *

Yes!!! Razum-Dar came through! Feng-Do is now back on the right track!



WOO HOO!!!!!


Acadian
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 09:44 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 12:23 PM) *

Yes!!! Razum-Dar came through! Feng-Do is now back on the right track!



WOO HOO!!!!!


What she said! tongue.gif
RaderOfTheLostArk
Xuth. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well. I'd like to support Zenimax and buy ESO+, but I must be wary about my finances. I will have to settle for the free trial then.
mALX
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 6 2017, 02:31 PM) *

Xuth. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well. I'd like to support Zenimax and buy ESO+, but I must be wary about my finances. I will have to settle for the free trial then.


I went a year without being able to get it too; and even now I buy the DLC I like with some of the Crowns they give the paid memberships = just in case in the future something happens that I can't pay it again.

(they give you 1500 Crowns per month with your paid subscription, did I forget to mention that in my list above? It is a big reason I pay for the membership as well!)

** Added that to my list above, I had forgotten to mention it - but it is a huge reason I subscribe, lol.


TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 02:54 PM) *

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 6 2017, 02:31 PM) *

Xuth. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well. I'd like to support Zenimax and buy ESO+, but I must be wary about my finances. I will have to settle for the free trial then.


I went a year without being able to get it too; and even now I buy the DLC I like with some of the Crowns they give the paid memberships = just in case in the future something happens that I can't pay it again.

(they give you 1500 Crowns per month with your paid subscription, did I forget to mention that in my list above? It is a big reason I pay for the membership as well!)

** Added that to my list above, I had forgotten to mention it - but it is a huge reason I subscribe, lol.

Yeah Khajiit looks forward to getting that 1500 crowns every month. This one would venture to say that ESO+ is worth it just for the craftbag. One time Khajiit's account stopped working due to some issue ZOS was having and it was a nightmare trying to juggle inventory around because of the influx of crafting materials going to inventory instead of the craftbag.
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 04:06 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 02:54 PM) *

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 6 2017, 02:31 PM) *

Xuth. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well. I'd like to support Zenimax and buy ESO+, but I must be wary about my finances. I will have to settle for the free trial then.


I went a year without being able to get it too; and even now I buy the DLC I like with some of the Crowns they give the paid memberships = just in case in the future something happens that I can't pay it again.

(they give you 1500 Crowns per month with your paid subscription, did I forget to mention that in my list above? It is a big reason I pay for the membership as well!)

** Added that to my list above, I had forgotten to mention it - but it is a huge reason I subscribe, lol.

Yeah Khajiit looks forward to getting that 1500 crowns every month. This one would venture to say that ESO+ is worth it just for the craftbag. One time Khajiit's account stopped working due to some issue ZOS was having and it was a nightmare trying to juggle inventory around because of the influx of crafting materials going to inventory instead of the craftbag.


They didn't have the Craftbag at the time that I dropped my membership for a year; so when I got the membership back it was my first experience with it - and boy is it Awesome! I am really spoiled by it too, was able to drop two bank mules immediately! I'm hooked on it now, don't want to lose it again! laugh.gif



TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 03:15 PM) *

They didn't have the Craftbag at the time that I dropped my membership for a year; so when I got the membership back it was my first experience with it - and boy is it Awesome! I am really spoiled by it too, was able to drop two bank mules immediately! I'm hooked on it now, don't want to lose it again! laugh.gif

Khajiit certainly wasn't happy playing without it!
Grits


Congrats to Cincinnatus! Jerric also sacrificed Varen. As much as he grew to respect and care for the old guy, he was not sorry to do it.

Khajiit, glad you got back on track with Feng. I have found the questlines to be forgiving of screwing around out of order, just a bit confusing when they reference things that haven’t happened yet.

Jerric just rescued Sai and has gotten drawn in to that questline (again). He loves kicking tail in Coldharbour. This is going to be fun! (Again, lol).
TheCheshireKhajiit
Khajiit feels like a dirtbag. He talked Mira into sacrificing Sai indifferent.gif
monkeyemoness
I guess that's the benefit of having 2 (plus one) characters make the decision. In the end Hates and Eolan decided to go with the Prophet mainly for the reasons above after some deliberation. (Hates deciding that Lyris and Sai held the least amount of blame for Planemeld, and Eolan deciding that the Prophet deserved to die with dignity after all he's done to fix his mistakes).

I guess Abnur Tharn would have been too easy an option, so it wasn't. :V
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 08:49 PM) *

Khajiit feels like a dirtbag. He talked Mira into sacrificing Sai indifferent.gif


I did the Prophet too, but was tempted by Sai. He was really weak in combat despite his size and reputation; and his love for Lyris made him entirely vulnerable in those torture sessions, which (imho) was a weakness that could have cost the entire world. Weak mind and weak body = good candidate for sacrifice.

But the prophet was also weak in body, could not contribute in combat. His mind was strong, but he was old and frail = and this whole situation came about by his own hand and hubris. (making him the best choice for me).

Lyris was a tough fighter, but weak of mind = she was vulnerable to manipulation because of it; but could still aid in the world's defense; so she wasn't even a choice on the table other than she got on my nerves with her combat chatter (and laughing after each thing she said).

Example:

"What is your name again; target practice?" (BWAAHAAHAA!)

And like Monkey said = Tharn was too easy a choice because Zenimax thought we should all hate him; so they removed him from your hands so the choice would be harder for the Player to make.

I actually liked Tharn, despite he was a necromancer and his own self interests would always come before the world's. He was strong in combat and in mind, and would always out-think the others. You could always rely on him to do the right thing as long as there was a way to show him it was in his own best interest. He was a huge help in combat; and didn't make any combat chatter (none that I found irritating).


TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 10:43 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 08:49 PM) *

Khajiit feels like a dirtbag. He talked Mira into sacrificing Sai indifferent.gif


I did the Prophet too, but was tempted by Sai. He was really weak in combat despite his size and reputation; and his love for Lyris made him entirely vulnerable in those torture sessions, which (imho) was a weakness that could have cost the entire world. Weak mind and weak body = good candidate for sacrifice.

But the prophet was also weak in body, could not contribute in combat. His mind was strong, but he was old and frail = and this whole situation came about by his own hand and hubris. (making him the best choice for me).

Lyris was a tough fighter, but weak of mind = she was vulnerable to manipulation because of it; but could still aid in the world's defense; so she wasn't even a choice on the table other than she got on my nerves with her combat chatter (and laughing after each thing she said).

Example:

"What is your name again; target practice?" (BWAAHAAHAA!)

And like Monkey said = Tharn was too easy a choice because Zenimax thought we should all hate him; so they removed him from your hands so the choice would be harder for the Player to make.

I actually liked Tharn, despite he was a necromancer and his own self interests would always come before the world's. He was strong in combat and in mind, and would always out-think the others. You could always rely on him to do the right thing as long as there was a way to show him it was in his own best interest. He was a huge help in combat; and didn't make any combat chatter (none that I found irritating).

Khajiit loves Lyris! Doesn't hurt that she's also Commander Shephard (female) and Bastila Shan also! tongue.gif
Sacrificing Lyris never crossed this one's mind; it was always between The Prophet and Sai. Now Khajiit can not even remember what swayed him to sacrificing Sai. Perhaps he seemed more genuine in wanting to be it. Don't know.
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 7 2017, 12:48 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 10:43 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 6 2017, 08:49 PM) *

Khajiit feels like a dirtbag. He talked Mira into sacrificing Sai indifferent.gif


I did the Prophet too, but was tempted by Sai. He was really weak in combat despite his size and reputation; and his love for Lyris made him entirely vulnerable in those torture sessions, which (imho) was a weakness that could have cost the entire world. Weak mind and weak body = good candidate for sacrifice.

But the prophet was also weak in body, could not contribute in combat. His mind was strong, but he was old and frail = and this whole situation came about by his own hand and hubris. (making him the best choice for me).

Lyris was a tough fighter, but weak of mind = she was vulnerable to manipulation because of it; but could still aid in the world's defense; so she wasn't even a choice on the table other than she got on my nerves with her combat chatter (and laughing after each thing she said).

Example:

"What is your name again; target practice?" (BWAAHAAHAA!)

And like Monkey said = Tharn was too easy a choice because Zenimax thought we should all hate him; so they removed him from your hands so the choice would be harder for the Player to make.

I actually liked Tharn, despite he was a necromancer and his own self interests would always come before the world's. He was strong in combat and in mind, and would always out-think the others. You could always rely on him to do the right thing as long as there was a way to show him it was in his own best interest. He was a huge help in combat; and didn't make any combat chatter (none that I found irritating).

Khajiit loves Lyris! Doesn't hurt that she's also Commander Shephard (female) and Bastila Shan also! tongue.gif
Sacrificing Lyris never crossed this one's mind; it was always between The Prophet and Sai. Now Khajiit can not even remember what swayed him to sacrificing Sai. Perhaps he seemed more genuine in wanting to be it. Don't know.


Bwaahaa! Mass Effect and Star Wars! Did they at least give her better combat lines in those games? I liked to spend a lot of time in Coldharbour to get my character up to level 6 so they could do the crafting writs; but her combat lines repeating constantly and with every fight really got tiring (for me). Then when they send you to rescue her in Coldharbour I thought they would give her some new lines, but no = same ones, and just as repetitive.

TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 7 2017, 01:17 AM) *

Bwaahaa! Mass Effect and Star Wars! Did they at least give her better combat lines in those games? I liked to spend a lot of time in Coldharbour to get my character up to level 6 so they could do the crafting writs; but her combat lines repeating constantly and with every fight really got tiring (for me). Then when they send you to rescue her in Coldharbour I thought they would give her some new lines, but no = same ones, and just as repetitive.

Who taught that one to fight, the god of self punishment?!

Best Khajiit can remember her combat lines weren't much better in Star Wars: KotOR (The Force fights with me!), but she didn't have many combat lines in ME being that she was the PC.

A note about the Mass Effect trilogy:
Khajiit never played a Male Shep because the male voice actor annoyed him so much. Jennifer Hale was so much better.
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 7 2017, 10:26 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 7 2017, 01:17 AM) *

Bwaahaa! Mass Effect and Star Wars! Did they at least give her better combat lines in those games? I liked to spend a lot of time in Coldharbour to get my character up to level 6 so they could do the crafting writs; but her combat lines repeating constantly and with every fight really got tiring (for me). Then when they send you to rescue her in Coldharbour I thought they would give her some new lines, but no = same ones, and just as repetitive.

Who taught that one to fight, the god of self punishment?!

Best Khajiit can remember her combat lines weren't much better in Star Wars: KotOR (The Force fights with me!), but she didn't have many combat lines in ME being that she was the PC.

A note about the Mass Effect trilogy:
Khajiit never played a Male Shep because the male voice actor annoyed him so much. Jennifer Hale was so much better.


There is another of those lines! And she always laughs after she says it as if it was a funny one-liner!

Oh yeah, I like Jennifer Hale's voice too = just not her battle lines in ESO. Her voice and acting are excellent, but she can only do the lines she is given.

TheCheshireKhajiit
Wow, this AD questline in Greenshade seems loooong
monkeyemoness
It basically has 2 arcs packed into a single zone.
Malabal Tor is short to make up for it, though. :V The "main" quest part, at least. Still the usual content, though.
RaderOfTheLostArk
Huh...I don't think I ever noticed the battle lines that Lyris spouted off, or I quickly forgot about them. Yikes, those are cringy.

QUOTE(Grits @ Jul 6 2017, 06:33 PM) *

Congrats to Cincinnatus! Jerric also sacrificed Varen. As much as he grew to respect and care for the old guy, he was not sorry to do it.


A late reply on my part, but thank you Grits.

QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 6 2017, 11:43 PM) *

I did the Prophet too, but was tempted by Sai. He was really weak in combat despite his size and reputation; and his love for Lyris made him entirely vulnerable in those torture sessions, which (imho) was a weakness that could have cost the entire world. Weak mind and weak body = good candidate for sacrifice.

But the prophet was also weak in body, could not contribute in combat. His mind was strong, but he was old and frail = and this whole situation came about by his own hand and hubris. (making him the best choice for me).

Lyris was a tough fighter, but weak of mind = she was vulnerable to manipulation because of it; but could still aid in the world's defense; so she wasn't even a choice on the table other than she got on my nerves with her combat chatter (and laughing after each thing she said).


That's an interesting point you make, mALX. After all, two years of torture at the hands of the Daedric Prince of Schemes and his lich lackey that tried to usurp him will do that to you in Sai's case. Should I ever play through the main quest again, maybe that character will use these rationalizations to sacrifice Sai or Lyris.
RaderOfTheLostArk
So after Cincinnatus's wonderful outing with his guild, he decided to make way for Orsinium again. Upon entering the city he received his own Echalette, and he became quickly enamored with it. I'm not sure what name I'm going to settle on yet, but one idea that sounded cool came--Arkanon--to me earlier so Cincinnatus is going to stick with that name for now. May not even sound cool later on.


Also, I want to gauge the opinions of the ladies and gents here about something. It is something I have mixed feelings on. Forgive the long blocks of incoming text.

What are everyone's thoughts on the whole premise for how a character can do another Alliance questline? The whole "Meridia has cast a spell on you so other people don't see your true nature" thing? On one hand, it feels a bit contrived and way too convenient, but on the other hand I guess it would be hard to come up with another reason for your character to be able to travel to another province relatively without hassle and it is nice to be able to see what the rest of Tamriel has to offer. But there also seems to be a bit of...complication about it, at least in my case.

So before our guild meeting, earlier this week Cincinnatus made his way over to Auridon. He had heard about the beauty of the Summerset Isles and wanted to see it for himself. He ran into some battles, of course, and while annoyed that his sight-seeing was interrupted he didn't take too kindly to the Veiled Inheritance attacking innocent villagers. So he rescued the town of Silsailen, and the boss of that quest (unfortunately some other player killed him when I was in the room so I didn't even get to attack him and that part of the quest ended, which was a little annoying, but anyway...) had written a note that described me as a "maddeningly altruistic Argonian." A nice touch, although it seems to go against the whole shielding-of-your-real-identity thing.

And then at the Quendeluun (?) wayshrine, I found an Altmer who's daughter was kidnapped. Naturally, Cincinnatus goes to help out. He finds the daughter, who then mentions her brother was taken. Turns out the brother is in league with the Veiled Inheritance and...the Ebonheart Pact. I initially went through with the quest and freed a fellow Argonian there too, but eventually I abandoned the quest because I didn't think doing it would suit Cincinnatus's character. But I'm debating even that now. Maybe it actually would suit him. After all, the initial thought was that he would be appalled at the Pact's partnership with the Veiled Inheritance after his earlier run-ins with them, but they are still Pact members. It was also hard to not notice the fact that they did not register that I, too, am part of the Pact, and I was not given the option to tell that Argonian I freed that I was part of the Pact (in fact, I explicitly had to say that I wasn't). Perhaps I'll go back to the quest later, but for now I'm just going to pretend the thing I originally set out to do is done.

So anyway...

Am I thinking about this too much? Is there something I am missing the whole masking-of-my-identity-by-Meridia thing? And I understand it is a lot of work to code in more voice acting lines and dialogue options to suit other Alliances (like telling that Argonian that I was also Pact, for example, or other people like those in Silsailen acknowledging that I am part of the Pact as some examples).

In the words of many of the NPCs in Morrowind: please, share your thoughts.
Acadian
I’ve always refused to allow TES lore or the games themselves to interfere with Buffy’s adventuring.

Some examples:

The three alliances mean nothing to Buffy. She has never bought into the concept of loyalty to any organization, be it political or guild. Her only loyalties are to individuals. She takes quests to help individuals. Just as she travels times and worlds, she has no problem adventuring in differing alliances.

Speaking of traveling times and worlds, that is why Buffy and Acadian can adventure so readily in games such as Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO and even Baldur’s Gate II and Diablo II before that. Acadian is why Buffy exists – he is her creator. More importantly, only her creator can take her existence away. She knows that if she is vanquished, she will lose her memories but Acadian will retain them and the pair will appear again – somewhere, sometime – perhaps even beyond Tamriel.

Though some in ESO tell Buffy that her ‘soul’ is missing, she knows that is not the case. What they might call her soul is the spirit she shares with Acadian. No one besides Acadian could ever remove that from her. Certainly not some pissant Deadra Lord or a worm like Minnie Marco.

Buffy does not ascribe to the Green Pact, though she is deadly serious about the respect she feels for both trees and animals. Her respect is manifested in a manner consistent with the early tribes that inhabited the great plains and forests of America though – not the nonsensical Green Pact. She honors the bounty of nature by using only what she needs – be it plant or animal.

In Buffy’s world, the term soul trap is a misnomer used by those not fully trained in enchanting and other such arcane manners. (Note that I'm talking about white soul gems; black ones are indeed dangerous and she will not touch them.) Buffy realizes that what is harvested by a white soul gem is not the soul but the residual magicka released upon death. That magicka is of no more use to the dead creature than their flesh or pelt. As such, she honors them by using what they no longer need.
monkeyemoness
This is a late night post so I'll do my best to keep it coherent. I warn you, though, one time, in the middle of the night, my mind was blown by the fact that, yes, I wear glasses.

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 8 2017, 09:19 PM) *

What are everyone's thoughts on the whole premise for how a character can do another Alliance questline? The whole "Meridia has cast a spell on you so other people don't see your true nature" thing? On one hand, it feels a bit contrived and way too convenient, but on the other hand I guess it would be hard to come up with another reason for your character to be able to travel to another province relatively without hassle and it is nice to be able to see what the rest of Tamriel has to offer. But there also seems to be a bit of...complication about it, at least in my case.

It's definitelly contrived and they could have done better, particularly because certain NPC's ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE YOU FROM THE COLDHARBOUR SEQUENCE FOR SOME REASON. It could be that it's only meant for your home alliance--in case you do skip quests with characters involved and they take notice, but due to how messy it could get, you get it regardless of whether or not it's your own alliance. (Example: Some lady from the Daggers in Rivenspire recognized Hates from the negotiations. Hates is EP.) It gets weird because the idea is that you're sort of...sent back in time? At least while you're in the Alliance's lands? Characters who should be dead are alive, and everything SHOULD be before the Coldharbour thing. "What if you had washed up in a different shore," and all that (I believe Cadwell said that?)


QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 8 2017, 09:19 PM) *

And then at the Quendeluun (?) wayshrine, I found an Altmer who's daughter was kidnapped. Naturally, Cincinnatus goes to help out. He finds the daughter, who then mentions her brother was taken. Turns out the brother is in league with the Veiled Inheritance and...the Ebonheart Pact. I initially went through with the quest and freed a fellow Argonian there too, but eventually I abandoned the quest because I didn't think doing it would suit Cincinnatus's character. But I'm debating even that now. Maybe it actually would suit him. After all, the initial thought was that he would be appalled at the Pact's partnership with the Veiled Inheritance after his earlier run-ins with them, but they are still Pact members. It was also hard to not notice the fact that they did not register that I, too, am part of the Pact, and I was not given the option to tell that Argonian I freed that I was part of the Pact (in fact, I explicitly had to say that I wasn't). Perhaps I'll go back to the quest later, but for now I'm just going to pretend the thing I originally set out to do is done.


Oh my god! So this might be a spoiler for that quests, but it actually becomes really ridiculous.

L M A O (spoiler image, put here cause putting the link inside the spoiler doesn't work???)

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 8 2017, 09:19 PM) *

So anyway...

Am I thinking about this too much? Is there something I am missing the whole masking-of-my-identity-by-Meridia thing? And I understand it is a lot of work to code in more voice acting lines and dialogue options to suit other Alliances (like telling that Argonian that I was also Pact, for example, or other people like those in Silsailen acknowledging that I am part of the Pact as some examples).

In the words of many of the NPCs in Morrowind: please, share your thoughts.

Yes, probably thinking too hard. Meridia's "your identity will be masked" is just a handwave for you being able to do the other questlines as if you started out in that alliance...which you can do whenever now anyways. I guess now it's a way to explain why you're suddenly back in time, where if you do all 3 at the same time it's just that you haven't gotten to that point yet. (Oh geeze, does that open a new can of worms...)

So ignoring the obvious...technical difficulties, take it as a "what if" scenario. That's what I did. The entire Squad did each other's alliances, but it didn't happen in "real time." More like a simulation, I guess. 'Course, random NPC's mentioning "your" exploits might shatter that illusion as well. Yes, even random NPC's will remember what you did in alliances that aren't yours. Good jorb, Meridia.

It's a mess, like pretty much anything resembling a coherent timeline in ESO. This is why it's a commonly held belief it takes place during a Dragon Break. Papa Akatosh is having some issues.
TheCheshireKhajiit
Multiple Feng-Do pics inbound. Standby...
RaderOfTheLostArk
QUOTE(Acadian @ Jul 8 2017, 11:02 PM) *

I’ve always refused to allow TES lore or the games themselves to interfere with Buffy’s adventuring.

Some examples:

The three alliances mean nothing to Buffy. She has never bought into the concept of loyalty to any organization, be it political or guild. Her only loyalties are to individuals. She takes quests to help individuals. Just as she travels times and worlds, she has no problem adventuring in differing alliances.

Speaking of traveling times and worlds, that is why Buffy and Acadian can adventure so readily in games such as Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO and even Baldur’s Gate II and Diablo II before that. Acadian is why Buffy exists – he is her creator. More importantly, only her creator can take her existence away. She knows that if she is vanquished, she will lose her memories but Acadian will retain them and the pair will appear again – somewhere, sometime – perhaps even beyond Tamriel.

Though some in ESO tell Buffy that her ‘soul’ is missing, she knows that is not the case. What they might call her soul is the spirit she shares with Acadian. No one besides Acadian could ever remove that from her. Certainly not some pissant Deadra Lord or a worm like Minnie Marco.

Buffy does not ascribe to the Green Pact, though she is deadly serious about the respect she feels for both trees and animals. Her respect is manifested in a manner consistent with the early tribes that inhabited the great plains and forests of America though – not the nonsensical Green Pact. She honors the bounty of nature by using only what she needs – be it plant or animal.

In Buffy’s world, the term soul trap is a misnomer used by those not fully trained in enchanting and other such arcane manners. (Note that I'm talking about white soul gems; black ones are indeed dangerous and she will not touch them.) Buffy realizes that what is harvested by a white soul gem is not the soul but the residual magicka released upon death. That magicka is of no more use to the dead creature than their flesh or pelt. As such, she honors them by using what they no longer need.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not like a hardcore role-player. My roles that my characters (at least "main" ones) take are more malleable, not really fitting into a tidy box. The progressively greater emphasis on role-playing is a recent development for me.

In any case, it isn't really the lore that dictates what I do. There might be little things here and there, but other than that I usually do what I think suits the character regardless. My main heroes most often tend to be "vigilante" types who take justice into their own hands, sometimes extra-judicially.

Perhaps I should stress that Cincinnatus isn't loyal to the Pact just because it's the Pact, although it may seem otherwise the way I write down his adventures. It's more a matter of the Pact being what he sees as the best way to seeing his vision for himself, the Saxhleel, and Tamriel being realized. But he won't just turn a blind eye to any wrongdoings the Pact does simply because it is the Pact, which is why I was debating how to go about the quest I mentioned earlier.

I find it very interesting how Buffy operates. Great insight into how she (and you) go about your way.

QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jul 9 2017, 12:42 AM) *


It's definitelly contrived and they could have done better, particularly because certain NPC's ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE YOU FROM THE COLDHARBOUR SEQUENCE FOR SOME REASON. It could be that it's only meant for your home alliance--in case you do skip quests with characters involved and they take notice, but due to how messy it could get, you get it regardless of whether or not it's your own alliance. (Example: Some lady from the Daggers in Rivenspire recognized Hates from the negotiations. Hates is EP.) It gets weird because the idea is that you're sort of...sent back in time? At least while you're in the Alliance's lands? Characters who should be dead are alive, and everything SHOULD be before the Coldharbour thing. "What if you had washed up in a different shore," and all that (I believe Cadwell said that?)

...

Oh my god! So this might be a spoiler for that quests, but it actually becomes really ridiculous.

After a certain point, you have to disguise yourself. You get a Veiled Heiritance disguise and a Pact one. Now, you'd think that, being one of the races of the Pact will give you an edge in this, right? And that the actual Altmer would be better suited for the Heiritance disguise. *see linked image Course, it's weird even with Dominion races. Again, WHY WOULD THE ALTMER NOT BE DISGUISED AS THE HEIRITANCE MEMBER INSTEAD OF THE KHAJIIT OR BOSMER???

Show / Hide Spoiler Text Above!

L M A O (spoiler image, put here cause putting the link inside the spoiler doesn't work???)

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Yes, probably thinking too hard. Meridia's "your identity will be masked" is just a handwave for you being able to do the other questlines as if you started out in that alliance...which you can do whenever now anyways. I guess now it's a way to explain why you're suddenly back in time, where if you do all 3 at the same time it's just that you haven't gotten to that point yet. (Oh geeze, does that open a new can of worms...)

So ignoring the obvious...technical difficulties, take it as a "what if" scenario. That's what I did. The entire Squad did each other's alliances, but it didn't happen in "real time." More like a simulation, I guess. 'Course, random NPC's mentioning "your" exploits might shatter that illusion as well. Yes, even random NPC's will remember what you did in alliances that aren't yours. Good jorb, Meridia.

It's a mess, like pretty much anything resembling a coherent timeline in ESO. This is why it's a commonly held belief it takes place during a Dragon Break. Papa Akatosh is having some issues.



Hah, I was afraid my rambling wouldn't make any sense. And since it is late while I type this, this could be rambling too or I might forget something I wanted to say...

I'm not sure how to efficiently break up your quote into multiple ones so this will have to do.

I actually ran into Telenger the Artificer over at Ezduiin. Dude had no clue who I was. A bit disappointing considering the fact that I am the sole reason he is still alive after what happened in Coldharbour, but I guess we can let that slide.

I was actually thinking about Cadwell's words about that "What if?" scenario while I was typing out those walls of text. I guess it could work, although it would still be a bit complicated in terms of time.

...

For that quest specifically (I don't know if I should put spoilers, but just in case):


...

The Dragon Break thing does make some more sense now, but it always seemed to be an excuse for those who were just really reluctant to acknowledge ESO as canon. I suppose that's why so much of the records of that timeframe were lost to history in other TES games.

Taking it as a "What if?" scenario does seem to make sense, like based on what Cadwell said. Still would feel kind of weird to do it with this character, but maybe I'll decide to do it later. In any case, Cincinnatus is more concerned with traveling the world right now. There are a lot of places he wants to see (and of course, I do as well). There ought to be plenty of quests along the way that will make sense for Cincinnatus to do in terms of role-playing.

Okay, I really ought to turn in for the night. Hopefully what I just said makes sense and conveys what I wanted to say. tongue.gif
mALX
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 8 2017, 09:52 PM) *

Huh...I don't think I ever noticed the battle lines that Lyris spouted off, or I quickly forgot about them. Yikes, those are cringy.


Right?

That isn't even the worst of them, there is one about her Axe improving their looks - etc. And they are repeated constantly throughout the tutorial Coldharbour ("Escape from Coldharbour" quest) = and after each and every time she says them, she laughs at what she has said as if she has said the funniest thing in the world. By the time I leveled up to 5 I was ready to sacrifice her without the quest, lol. laugh.gif (jk).


mALX
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 8 2017, 10:19 PM) *

So after Cincinnatus's wonderful outing with his guild, he decided to make way for Orsinium again. Upon entering the city he received his own Echalette, and he became quickly enamored with it. I'm not sure what name I'm going to settle on yet, but one idea that sounded cool came--Arkanon--to me earlier so Cincinnatus is going to stick with that name for now. May not even sound cool later on.


Also, I want to gauge the opinions of the ladies and gents here about something. It is something I have mixed feelings on. Forgive the long blocks of incoming text.

What are everyone's thoughts on the whole premise for how a character can do another Alliance questline? The whole "Meridia has cast a spell on you so other people don't see your true nature" thing? On one hand, it feels a bit contrived and way too convenient, but on the other hand I guess it would be hard to come up with another reason for your character to be able to travel to another province relatively without hassle and it is nice to be able to see what the rest of Tamriel has to offer. But there also seems to be a bit of...complication about it, at least in my case.

So before our guild meeting, earlier this week Cincinnatus made his way over to Auridon. He had heard about the beauty of the Summerset Isles and wanted to see it for himself. He ran into some battles, of course, and while annoyed that his sight-seeing was interrupted he didn't take too kindly to the Veiled Inheritance attacking innocent villagers. So he rescued the town of Silsailen, and the boss of that quest (unfortunately some other player killed him when I was in the room so I didn't even get to attack him and that part of the quest ended, which was a little annoying, but anyway...) had written a note that described me as a "maddeningly altruistic Argonian." A nice touch, although it seems to go against the whole shielding-of-your-real-identity thing.

And then at the Quendeluun (?) wayshrine, I found an Altmer who's daughter was kidnapped. Naturally, Cincinnatus goes to help out. He finds the daughter, who then mentions her brother was taken. Turns out the brother is in league with the Veiled Inheritance and...the Ebonheart Pact. I initially went through with the quest and freed a fellow Argonian there too, but eventually I abandoned the quest because I didn't think doing it would suit Cincinnatus's character. But I'm debating even that now. Maybe it actually would suit him. After all, the initial thought was that he would be appalled at the Pact's partnership with the Veiled Inheritance after his earlier run-ins with them, but they are still Pact members. It was also hard to not notice the fact that they did not register that I, too, am part of the Pact, and I was not given the option to tell that Argonian I freed that I was part of the Pact (in fact, I explicitly had to say that I wasn't). Perhaps I'll go back to the quest later, but for now I'm just going to pretend the thing I originally set out to do is done.

So anyway...

Am I thinking about this too much? Is there something I am missing the whole masking-of-my-identity-by-Meridia thing? And I understand it is a lot of work to code in more voice acting lines and dialogue options to suit other Alliances (like telling that Argonian that I was also Pact, for example, or other people like those in Silsailen acknowledging that I am part of the Pact as some examples).

In the words of many of the NPCs in Morrowind: please, share your thoughts.



It wasn't just that Meridia cast a spell on you so no one would know your original Alliance; but that at the time you step into that portal in the Harborage = all the Alliances had already come together as one to take down Molag Bal; and one ruler was chosen (one you helped choose of the three Alliance rulers) to rule all of Tamriel from that point on.

(Misa was Ebonheart Pact, but she chose Queen Ayrenn to rule "One Tamriel")

So technically, when you step into that portal to visit those other provinces you are actually stepping back in time to BEFORE all that happened and seeing what was happening in those other Alliances before the big merge of powers to take down Molag Bal.

It is no different than when you were morphed into that male Orc to view the past (in Betnikh); everyone saw you as actually being that male Orc; and if you had a looking glass you would see a male Orc looking back at you in it even if you were actually a Nord female.

It is done through powerful magic and traveling back through time to the same point where you originally started helping your own Alliance.

Now = that is how the game did it/set it up, but in your own roleplay = you can do whatever you like with it for your own character's storyline.

** That is really funny about that note though - I never saw that when I did that quest! But that said, if you use the "Adventure Pack" from the Crown Store - it allows you to play any race in any Alliance; so you could conceivably be an Argonian in the Aldmeri.

And it is kind of revealing to see what your own side was doing overseas that you never realized - and it IS an injustice to others, even if they are considered "enemies." Sort of like mistreatment of prisoners of war, etc. A lot of the people being hurt were civilians. So do you identify yourself as "Pact" when even you don't like what you see they are doing (or are you a neutral being who just doesn't like to see innocent civilians abused by any faction?)

With me - I was always on the side of the innocents, no matter who was their torturer.

mALX
QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jul 9 2017, 12:42 AM) *

*snip*
where if you do all 3 at the same time it's just that you haven't gotten to that point yet.
*snip*


So ignoring the obvious...technical difficulties, take it as a "what if" scenario. That's what I did. The entire Squad did each other's alliances, but it didn't happen in "real time." More like a simulation, I guess. 'Course, random NPC's mentioning "your" exploits might shatter that illusion as well. Yes, even random NPC's will remember what you did in alliances that aren't yours. Good jorb, Meridia.

It's a mess, like pretty much anything resembling a coherent timeline in ESO. This is why it's a commonly held belief it takes place during a Dragon Break. Papa Akatosh is having some issues.


*Snip*

I've been doing this with Britta on her playthrough (Misa did hers before One Tamriel, though she just finished up with Cadwell's last week)

Britta is doing each starter island; then each starter zone, etc. It is like she has no faction or Alliance, and is there as all the battles are beginning and all the Alliances forming. I have been torn between continuing this way or going ahead and doing the Ebonheart/Molag Bal first; haven't decided yet. But so far I haven't found any problems doing it this way since every Alliance territory she takes on is at the same level of the war as the others; so there is no "time travel" needed.

*Snip*


Bold: Simulation = Wow, that was an Awesome idea! Like "Anchorage," in Fallout 3 !!!! Awesome way to look at it, I may have to incorporate that !!!



QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 9 2017, 11:36 AM) *


You captured some of my favorite quests in the entire game in these screens! (Wilderqueen & Maomer) Awesome shots! I can't get the one of "The Mane" to open up, but I loved all I saw!


TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 9 2017, 11:06 AM) *
The original was really dark so Khajiit deleted it in Imgur and replaced it with a lightened version so you could see it better. If you try it again it should come up for you.
mALX


Oh thanks for fixing that! Great shot of "The Mane!" I like his liony cat looks, lol.


TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 9 2017, 11:30 AM) *

Oh thanks for fixing that! Great shot of "The Mane!" I like his liony cat looks, lol.

Honestly, Khajiit likes Gharesh-Ri better. The Mane has a goofy voice, lol
Acadian
Oh, thanks for the Greenshade shots, Khajiit! Buffy the templar is doing her Gold now in Grahtwood, so Greenshade is next. It is wonderful to sneak a peek since it has been so long since Buffy the sorc did the AD quests. One think I love about Buffy is that her attention span and memory when it comes to events is not very long. So as long as some time and other things have occurred in between, she won't remember the details of coming back to tred the same ground and quests again. tongue.gif

Heh, it is very clear that Feng likes Captain Jimila! Wonderful shots, and well-chosen to help showcase some of the large questibits in Greenshade. goodjob.gif
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Acadian @ Jul 9 2017, 12:42 PM) *

Oh, thanks for the Greenshade shots, Khajiit! Buffy the templar is doing her Gold now in Grahtwood, so Greenshade is next. It is wonderful to sneak a peek since it has been so long since Buffy the sorc did the AD quests. One think I love about Buffy is that her attention span and memory when it comes to events is not very long. So as long as some time and other things have occurred in between, she won't remember the details of coming back to tred the same ground and quests again. tongue.gif

Heh, it is very clear that Feng likes Captain Jimila! Wonderful shots, and well-chosen to help showcase some of the large questibits in Greenshade. goodjob.gif

Thanks A. There were more pics but Khajiit decided to withhold them because they were kinda spoilerific (even though this one is sure most everyone here has played through all the questlines before).
Grits
For the different Alliance questlines, if I went straight through them I would rely on the back-in-time simulation scenario combined with not looking too hard at the details to make it work. I think that allowing players to romp through all of the zones regardless of where they are in their Alliance story is well worth the head-scratching moments. Besides, my characters' personal stories are so muddled with what the games offer that I'm used to selectively ignoring dialog. Some days Jerric strolls through early Fourth Era Kvatch though he is in the ESO game. Some days he's in the game's correct time, cursing his invitation to Akatosh that lets him slip through the cracks and do the gods' biding whether or not he wants to. Occasionally he goes fishing on the Gold Coast, and daydreaming of the time before the Oblivion crisis takes him there. But tails sticking out of the Heritance "disguise" still crack me up. biggrin.gif

There have been a few very jarring incidents. One was meeting an NPC shortly after their death had brought Jerric to near collapse. The NPC greeted him as if they had never met. This is of course how it's supposed to work, but it was hard to get over Jerric screaming WTF YOU'RE ALIVE in my ear while shaking the person's teeth out of their head at the same time he stood there on screen whistling with some casual reply in the text box. He should probably have listened better to Meridia.

Oh, also due to Jerric's inhabiting multiple character saves and shamelessly jumping questlines, he regularly fights for an Alliance that he just finished fighting against. This works because there is always someone fighting someone in his outside-the-game Tamriel, so he just jumps in where he thinks he fits best. It helps that he is not one to nail down all the details first. tongue.gif


Khajiit, great pictures of some awesome quests! Gosh I loved doing those. I love those shots of the sea battle!
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Grits @ Jul 9 2017, 04:47 PM) *

Khajiit, great pictures of some awesome quests! Gosh I loved doing those. I love those shots of the sea battle!

Thanks G! That sea battle was Khajiit's favorite part of the questline!
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 9 2017, 08:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Grits @ Jul 9 2017, 04:47 PM) *

Khajiit, great pictures of some awesome quests! Gosh I loved doing those. I love those shots of the sea battle!

Thanks G! That sea battle was Khajiit's favorite part of the questline!


That sea battle might have been my most favorite quest in the whole game!


RaderOfTheLostArk
QUOTE(mALX @ Jul 9 2017, 10:41 AM) *

It wasn't just that Meridia cast a spell on you so no one would know your original Alliance; but that at the time you step into that portal in the Harborage = all the Alliances had already come together as one to take down Molag Bal; and one ruler was chosen (one you helped choose of the three Alliance rulers) to rule all of Tamriel from that point on.

(Misa was Ebonheart Pact, but she chose Queen Ayrenn to rule "One Tamriel")

So technically, when you step into that portal to visit those other provinces you are actually stepping back in time to BEFORE all that happened and seeing what was happening in those other Alliances before the big merge of powers to take down Molag Bal.

It is no different than when you were morphed into that male Orc to view the past (in Betnikh); everyone saw you as actually being that male Orc; and if you had a looking glass you would see a male Orc looking back at you in it even if you were actually a Nord female.

It is done through powerful magic and traveling back through time to the same point where you originally started helping your own Alliance.

Now = that is how the game did it/set it up, but in your own roleplay = you can do whatever you like with it for your own character's storyline.

** That is really funny about that note though - I never saw that when I did that quest! But that said, if you use the "Adventure Pack" from the Crown Store - it allows you to play any race in any Alliance; so you could conceivably be an Argonian in the Aldmeri.

And it is kind of revealing to see what your own side was doing overseas that you never realized - and it IS an injustice to others, even if they are considered "enemies." Sort of like mistreatment of prisoners of war, etc. A lot of the people being hurt were civilians. So do you identify yourself as "Pact" when even you don't like what you see they are doing (or are you a neutral being who just doesn't like to see innocent civilians abused by any faction?)

With me - I was always on the side of the innocents, no matter who was their torturer.


Yeah, I was starting to think about it being going back in time while awaiting responses, but it still leads to a few complications like that note I mentioned. But yeah, I guess I am just overthinking things (which I do fairly often in real life).

While Cincinnatus isn't a "goody two-shoes," he too fights for those that he thinks innocent.

I figured the Pact was doing rather unsavory things elsewhere. This is The Elder Scrolls after all, so ambiguity and perspective plays a significant role. I'm thinking I might incorporate that somehow for Cincinnatus later on.

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 9 2017, 11:36 AM) *


That Sea Serpent picture is dope, Khajiit. I mean, they're all great pics but that naval battle one stands out. Cincinnatus definitely needs to meet some Maormer in the near future.

QUOTE(Grits @ Jul 9 2017, 05:47 PM) *

For the different Alliance questlines, if I went straight through them I would rely on the back-in-time simulation scenario combined with not looking too hard at the details to make it work. I think that allowing players to romp through all of the zones regardless of where they are in their Alliance story is well worth the head-scratching moments. Besides, my characters' personal stories are so muddled with what the games offer that I'm used to selectively ignoring dialog. Some days Jerric strolls through early Fourth Era Kvatch though he is in the ESO game. Some days he's in the game's correct time, cursing his invitation to Akatosh that lets him slip through the cracks and do the gods' biding whether or not he wants to. Occasionally he goes fishing on the Gold Coast, and daydreaming of the time before the Oblivion crisis takes him there. But tails sticking out of the Heritance "disguise" still crack me up. biggrin.gif

There have been a few very jarring incidents. One was meeting an NPC shortly after their death had brought Jerric to near collapse. The NPC greeted him as if they had never met. This is of course how it's supposed to work, but it was hard to get over Jerric screaming WTF YOU'RE ALIVE in my ear while shaking the person's teeth out of their head at the same time he stood there on screen whistling with some casual reply in the text box. He should probably have listened better to Meridia.

Oh, also due to Jerric's inhabiting multiple character saves and shamelessly jumping questlines, he regularly fights for an Alliance that he just finished fighting against. This works because there is always someone fighting someone in his outside-the-game Tamriel, so he just jumps in where he thinks he fits best. It helps that he is not one to nail down all the details first. tongue.gif


Yeah, I guess it is best for me to just pick and choose what is actually being done by my character when it comes to a lot of the quests in other Alliances' provinces. I'm still a bit hesitant in case some of those quests affect my character's reputation when I am not considering them as part of my roleplay, though. For now, I am just going to stick with what actually suits my character, but I'll get around to the other stuff eventually.


Thanks again for the feedback, everyone. I like hearing what you all think about these things.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 9 2017, 07:35 PM) *

That Sea Serpent picture is dope, Khajiit. I mean, they're all great pics but that naval battle one stands out. Cincinnatus definitely needs to meet some Maormer in the near future.

Which one? Khajiit is partial to the first one with the flaming arrows in the sky!
mALX
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 9 2017, 08:35 PM) *

Yeah, I guess it is best for me to just pick and choose what is actually being done by my character when it comes to a lot of the quests in other Alliances' provinces. I'm still a bit hesitant in case some of those quests affect my character's reputation when I am not considering them as part of my roleplay, though. For now, I am just going to stick with what actually suits my character, but I'll get around to the other stuff eventually.


Thanks again for the feedback, everyone. I like hearing what you all think about these things.



Except the Cadwell Silver and Gold questlines give a few skill points per province; so if you want/need skill points it may help you figure out a way to work them into your roleplay, lol.

RaderOfTheLostArk
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 9 2017, 09:27 PM) *

QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 9 2017, 07:35 PM) *

That Sea Serpent picture is dope, Khajiit. I mean, they're all great pics but that naval battle one stands out. Cincinnatus definitely needs to meet some Maormer in the near future.

Which one? Khajiit is partial to the first one with the flaming arrows in the sky!


Oh, whoops. Yeah, the first one. Although the second one is cool too with that kind of a stare-down that's going on.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(RaderOfTheLostArk @ Jul 9 2017, 08:48 PM) *

Oh, whoops. Yeah, the first one. Although the second one is cool too with that kind of a stare-down that's going on.

The first one just looks epic with the ships, smoke, debris, and the critter looming large above the roiling, battle-churned sea! Love it!
monkeyemoness
@Khajiit - The second half of Greenshade was probably one of the most exciting sections of the Aldmeri Dominion and you captured plenty of great moments in it. TBH it does slow down a little in Malabal Tor but still.

Anyways, continuing the "here's an excuse for you to level up in other alliances' zones", I'm going to echo the "just go with what you want" thing. Like Grits said, the other TES games more or less condition you to do this already, and though the "explanation" is helpful, it's probably best to interpret it your own way. (I saw someone take it as you stepping into the shoes of an unnamed Hero of the other Alliances--sort of what I was doing but again, I went with the "Simulation" option).

I mean [censored], my own game's already gone off the rails by there being three Heroes instead of one (yeah, the Harborage stuff was hard to figure out and I don't think I ever settled on a single explanation, and even then there's only one true Hero of the Scrolls), not to mention one of them only began existing at the time the game started (well sorta). Combine the "three parallel universes" thing I was doing before One Tamriel tied them together (something I was planning to do even before One Tamriel was revealed to be a thing) and I already have my own problems to deal with. :V

Then you throw in the technical limitations, as if you didn't have enough of a headache to begin with.

That said, am I the only one that felt ESO did to each of the alliances what Oblivion did to the Emprie? As in it sort of ignored the actual flaws of the alliances and the only time you ever saw the nasty sides it was while you were in other alliances. (I think the Pact is the one that's presented as the most "innocent" one, never mind that each of the races involved hate each other the most).

I only say this because there actually are mentions of how "imperfect" each alliance is, but it's more tell than show, y'know? It's set aside to lore books and the occasional NPC, but the majority of those against the Alliances tend to be Bad Guys.

You only ever see armies treating Argonians as second-class citizens while in Auridon, and never in any part of the Ebonheart Pact zones. Same thing with Orcs (again, the two Covenant members who defected to the Dominion in Auridon).

It sort of gives it a layer of horror, IMO. Keep the hero blissfully unaware of the injustices so they more willingly help their alliance, which gets worse when they tend to be of the marginalized groups. I DID love playing with that, though, with Eolan being the "majority" race of DC, he most strongly believes in the ideals and the righteousness of it and is the only one in the squad willing to fight for his alliance. He's almost ignorant to any of the alliance's flaws.
Hates on the other hand, only really helped the EP when it was convenient for her or when her own people were in danger. It wasn't until the Prophet said "help them or you won't get your soul back" that she decided to help build it (also the fact that the other alliances will be worse for everyone involved. See: Shadowfen and the dead babies.) She was the one that found it the hardest to swallow. At the very least, several other Argonians know that the peace can't last long.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jul 10 2017, 03:54 PM) *

@Khajiit - The second half of Greenshade was probably one of the most exciting sections of the Aldmeri Dominion and you captured plenty of great moments in it. TBH it does slow down a little in Malabal Tor but still.

Anyways, continuing the "here's an excuse for you to level up in other alliances' zones", I'm going to echo the "just go with what you want" thing. Like Grits said, the other TES games more or less condition you to do this already, and though the "explanation" is helpful, it's probably best to interpret it your own way. (I saw someone take it as you stepping into the shoes of an unnamed Hero of the other Alliances--sort of what I was doing but again, I went with the "Simulation" option).

I mean [censored], my own game's already gone off the rails by there being three Heroes instead of one (yeah, the Harborage stuff was hard to figure out and I don't think I ever settled on a single explanation, and even then there's only one true Hero of the Scrolls), not to mention one of them only began existing at the time the game started (well sorta). Combine the "three parallel universes" thing I was doing before One Tamriel tied them together (something I was planning to do even before One Tamriel was revealed to be a thing) and I already have my own problems to deal with. :V

Then you throw in the technical limitations, as if you didn't have enough of a headache to begin with.

That said, am I the only one that felt ESO did to each of the alliances what Oblivion did to the Emprie? As in it sort of ignored the actual flaws of the alliances and the only time you ever saw the nasty sides it was while you were in other alliances. (I think the Pact is the one that's presented as the most "innocent" one, never mind that each of the races involved hate each other the most).

I only say this because there actually are mentions of how "imperfect" each alliance is, but it's more tell than show, y'know? It's set aside to lore books and the occasional NPC, but the majority of those against the Alliances tend to be Bad Guys.

You only ever see armies treating Argonians as second-class citizens while in Auridon, and never in any part of the Ebonheart Pact zones. Same thing with Orcs (again, the two Covenant members who defected to the Dominion in Auridon).

It sort of gives it a layer of horror, IMO. Keep the hero blissfully unaware of the injustices so they more willingly help their alliance, which gets worse when they tend to be of the marginalized groups. I DID love playing with that, though, with Eolan being the "majority" race of DC, he most strongly believes in the ideals and the righteousness of it and is the only one in the squad willing to fight for his alliance. He's almost ignorant to any of the alliance's flaws.
Hates on the other hand, only really helped the EP when it was convenient for her or when her own people were in danger. It wasn't until the Prophet said "help them or you won't get your soul back" that she decided to help build it (also the fact that the other alliances will be worse for everyone involved. See: Shadowfen and the dead babies.) She was the one that found it the hardest to swallow. At the very least, several other Argonians know that the peace can't last long.

Khajiit has noticed little things throughout all the Alliances' quests that speak to the racial tensions bubbling just under the facades of the Alliances. Offhand comments, certain quests that seem a bit shady towards members of certain ethnic groups, major quests in which certain characters push for a resolution that would obviously piss off or disrespect another ethnic group. Little things like that
monkeyemoness
Wouldn't it be fantastic if we get to see the eventual disaster that's just waiting to happen in each alliance? What if we get to assassinate the alliance leader? That would just butter my toast.



That aside, as far as the game part goes I guess they gotta make the alliance you're playing through appealing. Even as it is there were certain quests that I remembered upset some players so. I can just imagine the discourse over which alliance is the least terrible if they drew attention to the gray, just like the Civil War in Skyrim. The way the Ebonheart Pact was worshipped OOC in one Argonian RP guild I was in was pretty unsettling and reminded me of the Imperial/Stormcloak fanboys, tbh.

Also, the Squad's nearing the end of their Nirnhoned research and I've gotten 2 of the 6 Legendary furnishing plans before they're gone. All is well I guess.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jul 10 2017, 05:57 PM) *

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we get to see the eventual disaster that's just waiting to happen in each alliance? What if we get to assassinate the alliance leader? That would just butter my toast.



That aside, as far as the game part goes I guess they gotta make the alliance you're playing through appealing. Even as it is there were certain quests that I remembered upset some players so. I can just imagine the discourse over which alliance is the least terrible if they drew attention to the gray, just like the Civil War in Skyrim. The way the Ebonheart Pact was worshipped OOC in one Argonian RP guild I was in was pretty unsettling and reminded me of the Imperial/Stormcloak fanboys, tbh.

Personally, Khajiit would love something like that!
mALX


Finished the Dragonstar Arena with Britta today!!! WOO HOO! (new trophy hanging in trophy room at Guild Hall!).



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