Uh oh. Guess that NFL subscription's going the way of the dinosaur.

...

Nah...It's just there are so many things that could be excellent, and stuff that I'd probably love...

But also...Too many reviewers going "Yeah, it's good...But...These are better..."...And I can't risk the money...

McWife pointed out the achievements problem...That she would be annoyed if she earned a trophy for something but it was all on my account... ...Plus, say McWife or McBoy is playing, but because somewhere it says "Robert is online" and Grits goes "Hell yeah!!" and jumps over to where "I" am...

Well, she might!... ...PS4 buddies and all that!...

McWife will possibly not want to play...McBoy may be all "Who the?!!"...Etc etc...

So we're back to the four subscription thing again...It's not going to happen until it's free forever...It's a shame, but I shan't lose sleep over it... ...

I dunno. NFL + Male = is a combination that No Man May Tear Asunder...



If I was into MMOs, I would be still thinking the same thing. The reviews are so ho-hum about it, that it squelches any excitement I have over it being an new Elder Scrolls game. Even if it was a single player game, I would hold off on buying it. I held off on Skyrim for many months, and kind of wish I had waited longer, just so that there would have fewer bugs to deal with when I started playing. Not to mention more mods to fix the things that Bethesda cannot be bothered to ever do anything about, like blocky face textures. But with ESO, there are no mods to fix most of the big bugs. The most you can do is mod the interface to make it more user-friendly. Tbh, I do not think I would ever want to buy an Elder Scrolls game I could not mod. They create wonderful, gigantic open worlds to play in, and give us the chance to play a character of any gender and a ton of different races. But their coding ability - and quality control - is very lacking.

MMO launches always come with a lot of bugs. I like to think of it as launch month being the real open beta test for an MMO.

ESO, however, had it worse than most other MMOs, being rife with progression-blocking bugs in quests primarily. And those are the kind of bugs you don't want, as the entire population is out there leveling. Some people enjoy this and level slowly, but others want to max out their level quickly and get to the endgame (which for ESO is when you achieve Vet level 10 and complete all the quests in all the faction zones). The latter tend to also be rather vocal when issues arise, of which ESO is filled with them, to the point where lots of well-published people are warning people off from the game. Not a good launch.

I don't think ZOS quite had a handle on how many problems were still left in the game when they launched the PC release. Either that or they wanted for the PC gamers to get most of the big stuff over with before they moved the game over to the consoles.

Either way, I refuse to play the game in the state it is in now, and will still be apprehensive about buying it even when most of the bugs are ironed out simply because they are charging so much for this game. Subscription games I am much more critical of because if I am going to be paying that kind of money, the developers had better make the time I am buying worth it. Anything that makes me want to play less I do not tolerate.

What are Vet levels?

Wait... Complete all the quests in all the faction zones?

Eh... These MMOs are funny...

Once you hit player level 50, you will start gaining Veteran levels. There are 10 total, and once you have done that (pretty much requires you to do all the leveling quests in the entire game) your character is at max level.

Getting a character to max level pretty much means you have committed to the game and will be sticking around for a long time. Most quitters quit before they even reach endgame.

Endgame in an MMO is A: when you get at least 1 character to max level, and B: you have completed all the content designed to get him to that max level. At this point your interest will be to progress your character as far as possible based on how the game progression is designed and to experience all of the content designed for max level players. ESO is vertically progressing MMO right now, where your goal will be to make your character as powerful as possible in the particular role you want him to fill.

Currently there are three bits of content in ESO for max-level players, two already in, one planned and in development.

1. Veteran dungeons
2. AvA in Cyrodiil
3. Adventure Zones

Ugh. This is simply to much for me to bother with..

Sounds a lot like Ubisoft's Prestige Levels for the Multiplayer....

And yet far more complicated...

Aaaand something that would likely have me spending all my time trying to achieve... ...

Welp.

Shady business practices all round for this game.

I'd say Zenimax doesn't trust ZOS and want to be able to make as much money as they can in case the game bombs. That's what the marketing tells me, they're really pushing that pay-gated content in the game.

At this point it looks like ESO has yet another huge problem to deal with: botters.

For the uninitiated: a botter is very simple, it is a player character with no human player at the controls. It is being controlled by a computer macro. This is a prohibited practice in MMOs as botters can cause major problems for the game's economy (they can grind nodes 24-7 without stopping).

Work is being done to ban all the bot accounts at this time, but it's going to be a bit of a process.

Wow, that sounds absolutely nuts.

Because Elder Scrolls is meant to be mature, not cheesy and kiddy.

Anyone being anything like positive vis a vis this colossal money sink at all?...

Just wondering is all...

Well then...Now that the thing is going Free To Play™ and finally coming out on console...Seemingly working like Destiny's sales model...ie, "everything is expensive but hey! We're not subscription, eh?... ..."...

Er...

Yeah, what I've read suggests you get the game to play as you want, but any DLC will need to be paid for...

McWife was asking earlier...Does anyone know of anywhere that says what you'll likely get in the game for your initial purchase, and what exactly is down as DLC?...

Or is this all still up in the air?...

Sorry, can't help, McB. I've always hoped well for ESO but continue to watch and listen to how things go. As you probably recall, I don't go near a game until it is well entrenched and fully patched, dissected, wiki'd etc. With this big change to their payment model, I imagine that represents a big change to the game and perhaps a shift in the type of player. So, I continue to watch with interest from the sidelines to hear what intrepid 'jump right in there' players think.

From what I've seen, the game looks nice. I would prefer to buy the game and DLC, then play for free - as long as not having the 'premium $$ content' is not frustrating. But what do I know? I've never touched an MMO or any sort of online play in my life.

Best I can find is this

Even the faq on the elder scrolls online site isn't much help.

I'll wait until I don't have to buy the game. I just want to try it 'first' (I did play the beta for two days) to see where it is now, and if I'd like to play now. This is how I got into swtor, by trying it completely for free.

...I posted that first bit in the other thread... ...But thanks hugely...

The faq was pretty good, it did, at least, throw out the suggestion that we wait and see when everything comes out...The £50 is going to be bad enough, without the four of us having to spend tons of money to be able to get anywhere...

It does say elsewhere on the site that we need to be Level 50+ to walk freely between all the different territories...Though that does mean you still have three countries per dominion to play in before that, granted...

We watched some character creation videos and then some gameplay/quest ones too...It's so much like Kingdoms of Amalur it's a great surprise that no-one's called lawsuit yet...Then again, I'm not sure anyone owns the property at the moment...Anyways...

It's looking quite good, to be honest...But...Running from quest to quest while fifteen others are at the different quest points looks bloody stupid, to be honest...I'm sure it's all good fun, but if you don't get the XP for killing the enemy you've been at for five minutes, just because a high-level has come along and swiped it in one hit seems stupid...

So I think I now understand why when you go to turn in a quest there is a “Never mind” dialog option that lets you quit the conversation without completing the quest. If you have a second bar of skills that you are leveling but not playing, that gives you a chance to switch to have that bar active when you turn the quest in. I haven’t tried this yet since Jerric is level 5 and still only has one bar.

I needed that :Never mind" feature on the evacuation quest, I didn't know the game would tell you when everyone had been accounted for, so went in early and told them to evacuate. They asked "Are you sure everyone has been accounted for?" and it was written in red, which startled me into hesitating. Thank goodness.

I would have missed the most fun quest on the training island, the Frozen Man; and I would have left an innocent citizen behind to his death.

As soon as the quest was over and I had rescued that man, the game gave me a notification that everyone was accounted for and I could talk to the Captain Rano about evacuating now. So - WHEW! Thank goodness they gave me the option to back out, lol.

And I'm glad I didn't miss that quest, because it was a blast! The best quest yet, imho.

The Frozen Man was a great quest! I also started to tell the Captain Rana to evacuate too early, but I had two dialog options to give her in addition to Never mind. One was telling her to go ahead and leave, the other was something like wait because you have more to do. Both options were in red text, which I guessed meant that if I chose one it would eliminate the other option from the questline. In this case it was easy because I didn’t want to leave until everyone was found, but it was also good to see that mechanism in place so I wouldn’t accidentally take something lightly in the future.

On the next area Bal Foyen - I made the mistake of choosing to help at the docks at "Crossroads." I should have stopped playing long enough to research it, I would have chosen to help the Fort instead. The docks were a disappointing fight, I got killed several times and it didn't let me go back to where I had been when I died, instead it bumped the quest along and said I had beaten the General (when I obviously hadn't) - and there were no portals to close, which when I learned of them in the Fort quest left me feeling disappointed in my choice.

I've been reading all the ESO posts from mALX, Grits and hazmick with some interest.

I've never done online MMO gaming, but judging from your comments I could play this solo (I would prefer to do so, for RP purposes but also because my deafness cuts down on my communication options). So I am toying with the idea of giving this a whirl.

But I have questions. What do I need to get started? I would play this on my Mac (PC version), as my XBox is the old 360 model and not very good at all.

I already looked, my old Mac Pro meets all the requirements for ESO, and then some. It is an 8-core 2.8 GHz Xeon, with 12 GB of RAM and that new NVIDIA GTX 760 with 2 GB vRAM, so it should be able to handle things just fine. My WiFi is solid, and I have Comcast for my ISP, it's pretty consistent so far. I've not had any problems streaming video, though I imagine online gaming is a bit more demanding.

As far as I can tell, I would need an ESO account, and the game itself (Steam?). Which version? Anything else?

The choice and difference in the two games is really based on how you want to play the game. If you pay the extra 20.00 for the Imperial Edition you can play an Imperial or any other race you desire, and play in any Alliance you wish. Plus you get a horse (which is fairly necessary in game)

** without the Imperial Edition horses cost minimum 10,000 gold, which is hard to come by early in the game.


You also get a choice of several vanity pets; and you get the "Pledge of Mara" - where you can attach your character to another character in a permanent bond/partnership; that when you two play together you gain some great benefits such as + 10% XP, etc.

If I'm not mistaken, you also get some Crown Points to spend at the Crown Store if you purchase this Edition for the extra 20.00 original cost.



If you choose not to spend the extra 20 on purchase, then your Alliance is determined by what race you would like your character to be.

I personally bought the Imperial Edition so I could have the horse and the Pledge of Mara; but I am actually playing as a Nord and chose to start in the Ebonheart Pact because I knew people there already going in; and they have helped me out a lot in getting started.

We've been sharing our knowledge on here as we learn it; and I've learned a lot from Grits and Hazmick too, because their characters are doing things I've not even tried yet.

The Characters thread should have plenty of info on the races and classes to help you make a choice about what character you would like to play, but which edition you buy really boils down to how you want to do it; and whether that 20 is doable in some cases.

OH! And hearing impairment makes no difference, the in game discussions are done in a "Chat Box" - typed words, preceded by the Player Character's name. I had to adjust the settings for the type on the chat box where I could see it better, and then eventually I changed over to an after market download that makes it so I just wear a headset and talk/listen to my friend when we game together. If he is not online, I usually just shut it off so no one else talks to me while I'm playing.

Thanks for the quick reply, mALX!

One thing I'm having difficulty getting my head around: with my current games I'm used to saving my game and leaving it, knowing that when I come back everything will be just as I left off. But with online games, things are still going on while you are away, right? So what happens to your PC while you're at work, or sleeping, IRL?

I make sure to take my PC to a safe place (like a town or store) before shutting down for the night; then hit escape/quit/yes I'm sure.

Never do it in an unsafe place, or you will be resurrecting somewhere, lol. I think for a cost you can fast travel to a shrine or city (or use "Recall," but it isn't free - like 42 gold or something) if you are in a hurry to get off and don't have time to play around getting somewhere safe.

It constantly saves so when you leave and return you'll be right where you left off. That being said - I'm on the Xbox One so I'm not sure if it's the same on PC, but other MMO's use a similar save feature.

As for soloing it, yes you can. Group stuff is entirely optional and you can quite happily RP your way through the game without any issues.

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Oh yeah, I have played solo some and some with my friend; either way is fine. What I appreciated about having Peregrine travel with me:


- She has lockpicks and knows how to use them, I don't have lockpicks, and every time I get them they instantly break my first attempt to open a chest. When I am with her, she opens the chests and lets me take the loot. When she is not with me I have to bypass all the treasure chests.

- When she is with me and a fight comes up I can't handle, she and her conjured familiars have kept me alive numerous times.

- She has given me some great tips and equipment that I couldn't have learned or gotten on my own; knows the countryside and helps me find things.


- She is fun to talk to while we walk about; talk about where we are going next, etc.


Alone - I concentrate on the fight better because I have to without a friend backing me up; but that means I build up my skills quicker.

- I linger more over shopping or just standing around playing the lute or sleeping, etc - Role play that can't be done if another person is there wanting to get moving.


So either way has its ups and downs, I really enjoy playing with Peregrine a lot and I think it added tremendously to the fun of playing. But playing alone - the fights are tougher, but the role play is awesome.

I wanted to play with SubRosa and we learn together as newbs to the game and to the world of Online gaming - really really did not want to embarrass myself or get on the nerves of a veteran player; but playing with Peregrine really totally enhanced the game for me and I learned so much so quickly that I may never have learned without the guidence. Peregrine's "owner" was tremendously patient, I couldn't have asked for a better teacher.

haute, if you buy the basic game as of right now at least on the PS4 you can still buy the Imperial Edition digital upgrade which gives you this stuff as well as the Adventure Pack which gives you this stuff.

mALX, can you confirm that these options are also available in the PC Crown Store?

Since I pre-ordered I got the Explorer’s Pack for free, plus I paid for the Imperial Edition. The Explorer’s Pack stuff is available as the Adventure Pack upgrade in the Crown Store only with a different pet (bantam guar instead of vermillion scuttler). Jerric’s pet scuttler and the ability to play a Nord (or any other race) in any faction come from the Explorer’s/Adventure Pack. His white horse, mudcrab pet, and the ability to play as an Imperial in any faction come from the Imperial Edition.

I’m excited that you’re considering trying this out! I play solo with the voice chat turned completely off since I don’t have a headset. Also because other people can be annoying, since I can still hear them through my speakers. On the PS4 version there is no text chat window at all, so it’s only the voice channel. Not being able to communicate with other players has not been an issue for me. There are in-game animations that your character can use to communicate (like a come-this-way gesture), and of course on the Mac you will have the text chat box to use.

It was weird for me to not ever make saves since I’m used to the glitch-fest of Bethesda console games, but when you close the application or logout to the character screen your character disappears safely from the game world. However as mALX said if you quit right on top of a spawn point you can return to find yourself in a fight or already dead. It’s easy to walk over somewhere out of the way before you close the application. I have to quit abruptly rather often, and the only time Jerric suffered was with an error that kicked me out during a fight but left him in the game long enough to die. That wasn’t my fault!!

One thing that is a little jarring is that game time moves on without you, so you may quit while watching a sunrise and come back to find that it’s night. I’ve gotten used to that.

I don't know, the Crown Store stuff changes every day. Right now this is what I'm finding in there:



http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/crownstore

I was surprised to learn that page is just a sample of what the Crown store has at any time. There are several different mounts, pets, costumes, etc. offered in each of those categories in the actual store. You have to look at the store in-game to see everything. On the PS4 it’s at the top of one of the main menus.

The reason I mention it is because it seems to be cheaper to buy the basic game and then the digital upgrades than to shell out the extra $20 for the Imperial Edition of the game like I did, or more than $20 if you got the statue and other extras.

Well that is interesting to find out! I don't know if the PC game has the digital upgrade option or not, I'll have to wait till I can get on there and check it out.

I am guessing that is something that has come out since the Consoles launch; so haven't really heard anything about it - I guess they may add it to the PC in case people who bought the regular game want to upgrade without buying the full game twice, great idea !!!

Regarding crafting and trading: I looked at some of the player Guild stores (those caravan-like merchants around the marketplaces and city entrances), and now the ridiculous game economy makes more sense. It seems that NPC merchant prices are designed to encourage the use of player Guild stores both for buying and selling, which means you have to join one to sell your stuff in it.

Also I heard two guys planning a trade on the voice channel before I switched it off. The one guy had a high-level crafter character he had moved over from the PC game and was taking an order for an armor set. He could make exactly what the other guy wanted. I expect it would be even easier to arrange trades with a chat box or between players outside the game. There was some kind of player informal market event going on once when Jerric walked through artisan row in Davon’s Watch, so there’s that option for crafters as well.

Regarding mounts: I finally saw a Khajiit with a senche mount, and it looked even cooler than I thought it would. Unfortunately it is a subscription loyalty reward, but that senche was the neatest thing I’ve seen so far. Also the guar mounts look much better in the game than in the pictures.

Peregrine added me to his Trader's Guild; but don't know how it works yet. I know that the game makes a "Bong" sound when one of them is in the same city as I am, and I can see them on the map; their Icon shows up on the map so you can find them easier.

But every time I have gone to the traders, there has been an empty screen instead of a list of items. The guild sends me a different inspirational message daily; but it is long and in small print so I haven't been able to read it other than the title "New Daily Inspirational Message..."

I will have to ask Peregrine's "Owner" about how they work. I know if you join a guild, you are supposed to bring them income somehow which (if you don't you can be expelled from the guild). I'm pretty sure every thing you place in the Guild Trader's coffers and banks can be picked up and used by any member of the guild.

What you overheard was HUGE to me! I absolutely LOVE the idea of this guy taking orders for armor and weapons and custom making them! How cool would that be? Something like that would be tremendous for roleplay for me; having a job to do - especially as a Smithy, since my roleplay in Skyrim was as an Apprentice to the Whiterun Smithy, lol.

But seriously, especially after what you said - I would like to learn how the Guild Traders works, I think right now I am a member riding off of Peregrine's coat tails; and maybe because I'm at too low a level to draw any income I'm not using to survive, they haven't asked me to do anything yet. (the guild is all veteran players).






By the way, I did access the Crown Store in game and could hardly see anything at all, they did have a list on the left but when I clicked on it all there was was tiny icons.

They did have the upgrade for the Imperial Edition for those who purchased the regular version; and they did have that Adventure pack. I either don't know how to use the function or the PC Crown Store is something you should go into before you are in the game world (like from the screen where you first see your character standing and waiting or something). Anyway, it was very unsatisfactory for me.

Another thing was, they were only showing 500 crowns; we are supposed to be getting 1500 per month with the Imperial Edition. (I'll have to check with my son and see if he purchased something before jumping all over them, lol).

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/ne...-launch-details

Imperial City DLC coming soon. Late august for PC/mac players and mid-September for consoles.

With the purchase of the Imperial City DLC game pack, you get access to the full Imperial City zone. That includes the following:

(All content is available to players that are level 10 and up)
A brand new PvP/PvE space, including the six Imperial City Districts
New quests and key characters within the Imperial City
One new Imperial City PvP Public Dungeon: The Imperial Sewers
Two new PvE Imperial City group dungeons with Normal and Veteran versions: White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison
The Tel Var Stone system
23 completely new Veteran Rank 16 item sets, only available in Imperial City
Treasure Vaults that contain new Veteran Rank 16 set jewelry and a chance for even rarer finds
Xivkyn racial motif style
New collectibles only available in Imperial City (pets, polymorphs, and a costume)


There's also a hefty patch which adds, updates, and fixes a whole bunch of stuff.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !!!!! I was just trying to find out about the DLC the other day and couldn't get any details!

Well, I can't go into Cyrodiil yet - I mean I am over level 10, but ... not wanting to go till my character is a lot tougher.


Have you been there Hazmick? What was it like? Did you get any of its Skyshards? Were any of them attainable without a party of 20 to reach them?

I was wondering if the invisibility potions I've been making would work to bypass the killing parties in Cyrodiil.

I've been, it was fun, didn't see any skyshards.

There's plenty of stuff to do there, both PvP and PvE. It's difficult though since you can run into high level players at any time.

I can guarantee that the Imperial City will attract the highest level players so it'll be a tricky area to explore but there seems to be plenty of stuff included in the DLC and patches for everyone to enjoy.

I would love it if they added some content a solo player could handle.


I know Cyrodiil has 15 Skyshards, that is specifically what I was hoping to go there for, lol. Really not sure I could get into (or survive) those mass battles, even if I joined the "Angry Army," lol.

If anyone is on the fence about buying ESO, it’s 33% off on Steam right now.

And hey, looks like the That Online Thing forum got a new name!

I guess I’m behind the times on how these things work, because I was surprised to find out that the many-hours-to-download patch that came today includes the entire DLC content, even though I have not bought it. This will give me “instant access” when I inevitably or so they seem to think fork over the money for the Imperial City DLC, which I have no interest in at all. Until then it will just be there waiting. Call me a curmudgeon, but I am not a fan of this.

Although I’ll admit that the soul-shriven robes (available for a few more $$) look cool.

I'm 100% in agreement with you on this, does not make sense (1) and has caused a tremendous amount of lag on the PC game (2).

I also have no desire to go to Cyrodiil, play that particular DLC; and how they did that patch (2 weeks ago on the PC) - they devalued all the lower level enchantments and increased them for veteran levels (after I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars improving all my low level gear) - making all the money I spent a waste and all the armor/weapons I improved for my low level characters junk. THAT made me mad.

They also reset all the skill points. For some of my characters that worked, but for others it messed me up. I don't mind, but think they should have given us a warning of some sort so we could LOG our character's stats to reproduce them after the reset.

Anyway, I have been seriously considering cancelling my "Plus" membership, but I've just been informed that the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood are going to be DLC; so I'm holding off to see what they do with that. I've already paid for 6 months, so may as well wait before dropping it and see if they can crank it out before my 6 months ends.

But since the 1st DLC my game has not played right at all; lagging/characters logging in at wayshrines instead of where I left them/characters falling through the void and taking fall damage on logging in/etc.

I wrote several complaints, so far not much fixed; and two weeks has passed.

I also suggested that paying memberships should have a different server from the free membership's server. That way we won't be so effected by every little change.

I wondered what happened with the skills. I logged in to give Ebonheart Jerric something to research and saw a new icon by the skills menu plus no mail from his smithing materials contact and figured something was up. I hope they pick up the story where they cut it off, those little notes were one of my favorite things in ESO. I think I’ve calmed down enough to read the rest of the patch notes.

I guess I’ll need to read them before I re-allocate everyone’s points if they’ve changed how things work. Sigh. I’m starting to think of my ESO time as time wasted, which is not a good sign.

It took me 3 days to play it again after realizing they took all those hundreds of thousands of dollars I spent making legendary weapons and epic armor for my characters just to have them devalue everything so it is no better than the junk one would pick up in the field. I still feel sour every time I glance at the altered stats on any of my stuff.

That and it really bothered me that they had to know they would be re-setting our stats, how about some warning a couple days earlier on the launcher news place that they would be doing it so we could log our stats and reproduce them after they were reset? I mean, it would have been nice of them to give us a heads up.

I mean, my Templar used to be fairly powerful, and since I reset her stats something isn't right - she is weaker than she was, and missing some essential spells. Now that said, I rarely play her.

My main character Misa actually got stronger in the reset; and still has all her best spells. Britta seems to be the same or a little stronger; but Bubba is weaker.

So I obviously did something wrong with some; and did better with others. I can live with that, and it only bothers me if I take one of the newly weakened characters out for a spin. But the weaker weapon enchantments and suddenly characters with no stamina that can't run 30 feet anymore when their armor gave them plenty enough to run a mile before - that still makes me mad.

But that said, I've been taking Misa out questing, and I'm still finding the game a lot of fun as long as I don't look at the weapons and armor I made for the lower level characters.

I hate to sound like a party-pooper, but this is a big reason that online games just do not interest me. The developer can still muck with a single player game by releasing patches that change the gameplay. But you can always elect not to apply the patches. And you can always use the command console to fix things, be they stats, money, etc...

Yes, agreed. If the developers used that power to increase the enchantments or improve the gameplay that would not be offensive, but when they step in and devalue and negate things you have done in your game, they are taking the game you have immersed yourself in away from you and giving you lesser crap in its place.

They had to know before they released the game to the public what changes the DLC would cause and should have foreseen and been prepared in advance so that these kind of ridiculous "oops, these players will be overpowered by the time they get to veteran level, we better knock them back a few pegs" incidents wouldn't be happening - or the "oops, if we knock them back then the veterans won't be able to take on X dungeon boss..." - Why didn't they just adjust the enemies and leave the player enchantments alone since we bought and paid for them (and wouldn't have if they were just junk stat changes).

I could have and would have spent my game money on other things if I had known, they really screwed me over with that patch.

I didn't know these kinds of things took place in online games; I mean, this is not in the beta-test stage anymore; it is a fully released game. Did they do this with WoW?

That said, the quests are still a blast; I love the game world itself; and the game is still fun as long as I don't look at my equipment stats and get mad all over again,

SubRosa, it’s safe to say that everything I thought and was told that I wouldn’t like about MMOs is true about ESO. There have been several times when something occurred and I thought SubRosa would not put up with this. I am still enjoying myself overall and of course I love my characters completely, but I can’t stay in ESO long before going back to a single-player game.

I hope that there will be something in these latest changes for Lildereth. Archery is to me a huge disappointment. Even with a controller it just feels button-pushy. She does like to snoop around, so at least stealth has been fun. She likes to find skooma-making apparatus and destroy it with the ‘Destroy’ button.

Gaaaah, I haven't seen that yet!