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mALX
QUOTE(Acadian @ Aug 4 2017, 11:49 AM) *

Looking forward to our guild meet up today! smile.gif

Buffy is up for about anything as far as a meeting agenda – drinking, swimming, fishing, dancing, adventuring.

That said, if we are looking for a nice, fairly sedate little adventure I do have an idea that Buffy is prepared to lead/navigate. It would be limited little adventure to Wrothgar simply to clear one delve - Nikolvara's Kennel, which contains a couple fishing spots and a skyshard. Foes include durzogs, spiders and bandits. The boss is an archer type bandit who is the ‘Durzog Trainer’. Though we would need to kill a fair number of foes in the dungeon (and boss), the fighting involved is not hard even for a solo player. Mostly just a light-hearted little fun run.

Buffy’s completely up for about any alternatives but I just thought I’d toss out one simple possibility in case we’re looking for ideas. I think what may have got me thinking about this one was a comment by someone here (Khajiit?) about wanting to take out that Durzog Trainer.


I thought we did clear that one last time? Didn't we? (will have to look at Britta's achievements for Wrothgar, because I remember us doing one, but don't remember if it was that one or another).


Acadian
Did the guild go there perhaps during that meeting that Buffy couldn't make? There are a couple fishing spots just inside the entrance.
hazmick
That is indeed the one we visited when Buffy was absent. No problem running through it again though.
Acadian
Oops! embarrased.gif Well I guess it was a good idea then - so good that it's already been done! tongue.gif

Since we (less Buffy) did it recently, perhaps something else might be better then. As I said, Buffy's up for anything as long as she's with her friends. smile.gif
RaderOfTheLostArk
I shall be heading back home in about half an hour or so from work, but it takes me a while to drive back. So I'll still probably be late to the guild meeting, but at least I project it to not be too late.
Grits
Folks, I'm having some connection issues, be there as soon as I can.
mALX
QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 4 2017, 05:07 PM) *

Folks, I'm having some connection issues, be there as soon as I can.


Possibly us too, a lightning storm is going through so my connection may be compromised tonight; but I'm going to try to be on as much as I can.


hazmick
Just got back from the guild meet - much merriment was had, despite missing a few people.

Lutes

Pool ft Buffy's chair

Party

Tabards

Representing the guild

Skyshard

Back from adventure

Nightlight



The next guild meet will be on September 1st.
Acadian
Once again, your screenshotography is amazing, hazmick! You captured some beautiful moments. All I remembered to do was grab a couple of our tabard shots - only to find out after that FRAPS was off! Urg. Incredible how you can remember to grab action shots (like the triple skyshard one).

Buffy had a great time and thanks to all who made it! tongue.gif
TheCheshireKhajiit
Aww damn. Khajiit had to work today but he forgot all about the meet up to let y'all know he would not be able to attend. It's been a crazy week around the Khajiit household; this one's sister came for a visit with her one year old.
Khajiit is very sorry he missed it sad.gif
monkeyemoness
Hhhhh, sorry I had to miss today. I had to leave unexpectedly and had no time for a warning. Looks like everyone else had fun for those missing, though. :U
mALX
QUOTE(hazmick @ Aug 4 2017, 07:35 PM) *

Just got back from the guild meet - much merriment was had, despite missing a few people.

Lutes

Pool ft Buffy's chair

Party

Tabards

Representing the guild

Skyshard

Back from adventure

Nightlight



The next guild meet will be on September 1st.



Awesome screens of the night, you captured all of it here!


** We only lack 155 vouchers of completing the purchase of the Clever Alchemist set; or 95,000 short of buying the last table to complete the set. (Misa and Calia have been robbing the Inn at Rawl'Kha for several days to work up the money to buy the Attunable Tables). So WOO HOO!!!




QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 4 2017, 10:21 PM) *

Aww damn. Khajiit had to work today but he forgot all about the meet up to let y'all know he would not be able to attend. It's been a crazy week around the Khajiit household; this one's sister came for a visit with her one year old.
Khajiit is very sorry he missed it sad.gif



QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Aug 5 2017, 12:23 AM) *

Hhhhh, sorry I had to miss today. I had to leave unexpectedly and had no time for a warning. Looks like everyone else had fun for those missing, though. :U


You were both missed! (As was Feng and Jo'Zira!)


sad.gif



Grits
I love to look at the pictures and remember the fun, and also catch a glimpse of the parts I missed! Thank you for sharing these, hazmick!
Grits
Elke popped into the Guild Hall last night and used the new set crafting stations. Now Jerric has some Kagrenac’s + Shalidor’s Curse in his preferred configuration to level in. (He likes a heavy chest.) No more floor length hand-me-down robes! Thank you for these, mALX!
mALX
QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 6 2017, 10:39 AM) *

Elke popped into the Guild Hall last night and used the new set crafting stations. Now Jerric has some Kagrenac’s + Shalidor’s Curse in his preferred configuration to level in. (He likes a heavy chest.) No more floor length hand-me-down robes! Thank you for these, mALX!



Awesome! I'm so glad they are getting used!!!! I've started going there to do any Master Writs that use those tables now, it is really exciting to be able to do all the Alchemy/Enchanting/Provisioning = plus a few of the equipment Master Writs all in one spot! I love it!!!


*** Clever Alchemist is in!!!!! (Upstairs) We have 107 vouchers toward the next set! WOO HOO!!!





TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 6 2017, 09:39 AM) *

Elke popped into the Guild Hall last night and used the new set crafting stations. Now Jerric has some Kagrenac’s + Shalidor’s Curse in his preferred configuration to level in. (He likes a heavy chest.) No more floor length hand-me-down robes! Thank you for these, mALX!

Pix! Pix!
mALX


Tava's Favor is in! We now have 67 Vouchers toward the Eternal Hunt set; which is (will be) the last set in Hews Bane! WOO HOO!!!


Acadian
Gosh, what fabulous progress you're making, mALX!

I noticed that Monkey's edit note in our guild roster by his name helpfully details the sets that can be made at his place also!
mALX

All the Attunable tables climbed way up in price, but last night someone put their set of three on sale for the previous (lower) price - I knew I had to nab it quick at that price; but was 35,000 short of what I needed to buy the final table for the Tava's Favor set. So I asked a friend (that naked vampire that was caught on camera dancing on the Guild Hall dining table) to buy some of my Potent Nirncrux = he did!

Without his help, that one table we lacked would surely have been gone at that price by the time I worked it up, I'm really grateful to him. Those other two tables they had won't last long at that price; unfortunately. I'm going to break my neck trying to nab them too, but at least we got the one we needed - WHEW!!!

I really hope the market turns back down again on these tables; verysad.gif


*


I also noticed that edit on Monkey's name on the roster - LOVE that idea! Not sure if that was Hazmick's or Monkey's, but what fantastic way to keep track of which of our members have which tables!


haute ecole rider
were those tables on sale for gold? Because you can always hit me up

We are saving for those 1M+ homes so can spare a few thousands

Never mind Maz . . .
mALX
QUOTE(haute ecole rider @ Aug 13 2017, 01:19 PM) *

were those tables on sale for gold? Because you can always hit me up

We are saving for those 1M+ homes so can spare a few thousands

Never mind Maz . . .



Oh, anyone who wants to donate any gold, Master Writs, materials, or tables (or put them up at their own houses) is more than welcome to; it is all so appreciated and will be so convenient for our whole Guild for doing everything we need with crafting or Master Writs by just visiting either the Guild Hall or one of our Member's Primary Residences!!!

Getting these stations "Attuned" = I am seeing just how much hell everyone was having to go through to get to these stations before! Tava's Favor was a fight every few feet the whole way! Not to mention Clever Alchemist - or what Monkey must have gone through to get those Imperial City Stations, Holy Cow!!!

So I think when we get all the tables set up and can either go to the Guild Hall or to one of our Member's houses to do our crafting - it will be Awesome!!!

And after this, I do plan to get the Mundus Stones into our Guild Hall too; so we won't have to trek and search all over for them either - those will take a long time though; as they are only available with Crowns right now = I hope that changes in the future).




hazmick
QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 13 2017, 05:12 PM) *

I also noticed that edit on Monkey's name on the roster - LOVE that idea! Not sure if that was Hazmick's or Monkey's, but what fantastic way to keep track of which of our members have which tables!

That was Monkey. I made sure to give everyone the 'edit notes' permission for this very reason though - makes it easier for everyone to see what's available at a glance.
mALX
That is a fantastic idea, it will really help me keep up with who has what when getting the tables for the Guild Hall!

Speaking of which, thanks to donations by Acadian we now have the first table of the Eternal Hunt crafting station already! We should have all the sets for Hew's Bane by the weeks end at the latest! Thank you Acadian, that was AWESOME!!!

Start planning which DLC crafting sets you want next:

Gold Coast: Kvatch Gladiator; Pelinal's Aptitude; Varen's Legacy

Vvardenfell: Assassin’s Guile; Daedric Trickery; Shacklebreaker (For anyone who hasn't bought "Morrowind," having these in our Guild Hall will be a great help!)

Wrothgar: Law of Julianos; Morkuldin; Trial by Fire (Morkuldin is locked by a quest, so having it in our Guild Hall will help anyone who hasn't done that quest yet!)



Grits
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 6 2017, 04:13 PM) *

QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 6 2017, 09:39 AM) *

Elke popped into the Guild Hall last night and used the new set crafting stations. Now Jerric has some Kagrenac’s + Shalidor’s Curse in his preferred configuration to level in. (He likes a heavy chest.) No more floor length hand-me-down robes! Thank you for these, mALX!

Pix! Pix!

Here you go


mALX, what stunning progress on the stations!!
monkeyemoness
Yeah, I put the note up to let everyone know at a glance.

I have similar ones in my other guilds but I'm probably removing them entirely on them lol (this is the only guild that knows I have the IC stations)

Anyways, I vote for Morkuldin because of quest gating AND because it's kind of a pain to get to.

Also, dog!
Acadian
Well, being able to put a note by your own name in the guild roster is a great idea!

Grits, Jerric looks fabulous - as ever. Well, you know. . . even though his chest is covered up. . . . tongue.gif
mALX


To try and fit as many tables in as possible, I have moved the Mages Guild and Fighters Guild tables into the same area (on the right side of the trophy room/entry) and moved the Hew's Bane tables to downstairs (the area to the left of the trophy room/entry). Hoping to get as many tables as possible inside without jamming them together too much.

I keep getting a notice that my inventory slots for the houses has doubled, but it is showing the same number of slots as it had before; so huh?




QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Aug 14 2017, 03:30 PM) *

Yeah, I put the note up to let everyone know at a glance.

I have similar ones in my other guilds but I'm probably removing them entirely on them lol (this is the only guild that knows I have the IC stations)

Anyways, I vote for Morkuldin because of quest gating AND because it's kind of a pain to get to.

Also, dog!



I agree, Morkuldin has my vote too. The enemies still spawn inside there.



QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 14 2017, 03:10 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 6 2017, 04:13 PM) *

QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 6 2017, 09:39 AM) *

Elke popped into the Guild Hall last night and used the new set crafting stations. Now Jerric has some Kagrenac’s + Shalidor’s Curse in his preferred configuration to level in. (He likes a heavy chest.) No more floor length hand-me-down robes! Thank you for these, mALX!

Pix! Pix!

Here you go


mALX, what stunning progress on the stations!!



Hey, he has his chest covered up! laugh.gif Thanks, Grits - I couldn't do it without all the Awesome help everyone is giving!

Acadian
QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 15 2017, 08:36 PM) *
... I keep getting a notice that my inventory slots for the houses has doubled, but it is showing the same number of slots as it had before; so huh? ...


Same here, but Buffy's little Snugpod still shows about 85/200 like before.
mALX
QUOTE(Acadian @ Aug 16 2017, 07:47 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 15 2017, 08:36 PM) *
... I keep getting a notice that my inventory slots for the houses has doubled, but it is showing the same number of slots as it had before; so huh? ...


Same here, but Buffy's little Snugpod still shows about 85/200 like before.



Same here, the Guild Hall is showing the same 600 ceiling it has always had. It has always had double the slots of non "Plus" members since the housing was first introduced; so why the sudden notice if nothing has changed?

Also, I have had double the bank space since the Morrowind expansion; and suddenly every time I load up a character and go to bank something = getting the notice that my bank space was doubled. Well, it is still showing 480 slots too.

I had just emptied the Guild Hall interior out to make room for these tables; so I'm not going to fill it back up just to test if I can go over the 600 items. I think that something they did in that last patch is just erroneously making hyperactive notices about our Plus Membership bonuses...unfortunately.

mALX

We now have two of the Eternal Hunt tables, and 3/4 of the way to the third! WOO HOO!


Acadian
Woo Hoo is right! Wow, you are making such progress! goodjob.gif
mALX


We now have all of Hew's Bane done/in the Guild Hall !!!!! Eternal Hunt went in tonight!!! Going for Wrothgar next, Morkuldin first; then Law of Julianos! WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 18 2017, 10:01 PM) *

We now have all of Hew's Bane done/in the Guild Hall !!!!! Eternal Hunt went in tonight!!! Going for Wrothgar next, Morkuldin first; then Law of Julianos! WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good work mALX! Thank you for all you do!
mALX
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 18 2017, 11:06 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 18 2017, 10:01 PM) *

We now have all of Hew's Bane done/in the Guild Hall !!!!! Eternal Hunt went in tonight!!! Going for Wrothgar next, Morkuldin first; then Law of Julianos! WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good work mALX! Thank you for all you do!



Not just me, Grits sent me Master Writs and Acadian sent me the materials to do them (plus a whopping gold deposit to help buy 1/3 of a table!!!). This is absolutely a joint effort of our guild, not just me!

TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 19 2017, 02:39 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 18 2017, 11:06 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 18 2017, 10:01 PM) *

We now have all of Hew's Bane done/in the Guild Hall !!!!! Eternal Hunt went in tonight!!! Going for Wrothgar next, Morkuldin first; then Law of Julianos! WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good work mALX! Thank you for all you do!



Not just me, Grits sent me Master Writs and Acadian sent me the materials to do them (plus a whopping gold deposit to help buy 1/3 of a table!!!). This is absolutely a joint effort of our guild, not just me!

Well thanks to everybody then!
mALX


laugh.gif Yes, most definitely!


As of last night; Grits's food she gifted to the Guild Hall has finally been moved out into the courtyard (since we rarely go inside anyway, it was not being seen where it was inside the house). It is now a part of our feast in the courtyard to be enjoyed at our meets or visits!

Buffy's gifted benches are temporarily being held in Misa's inventory till I can find the best place for them since they were also not being used or seen where they were inside the house and on all the balconies. They will most definitely be put back; but I want to find somewhere that they will be seen and used.

The kitchen was dismantled to make room for the crafting tables; and I also closed off the large area above the trophy room to keep from so much space being wasted (though that did take up some inventory slots). I am hoping we can fit all of those crafting table sets inside if at all possible so we don't experience lag like we were having when the Vvardenfell map was outside.

** Anytime anyone experiences lag when loading into the Guild Hall or doing anything there = please tell me. I know the Vvardenfell map caused me a lot of problems before it was moved inside; and the courtyard was loading slowly too. It seems to have improved since this last DLC was added, but I don't know if it is better for everyone or just me. If it is still lagging, I can take out some empty cups (etc).



monkeyemoness
There's no emoticon with a party tooter to just imagine that I posted the emoticon with a party tooter.

Thanks for all your work on the guild, guys, and mALX for spearheading it all.
mALX


We now have two of the Morkuldin tables as of tonight! WOOOOOOOOOOOOT !!!!!! So = almost two sets in just this one week!

When all the tables are in, I planned to put banners up for each of the areas the crafting sets come from - till I found out how much they cost, lol. Fighters Guild and Mages Guild banners cost 20,000 each! I haven't even checked on the Hew's Bane or Gold Coast banners yet, lol. Wrothgar has a gorgeous totem that can be posted, I have no idea how much it is either. But at those prices, they will have to wait till the tables are in.

I don't want it to be too hard to find the tables you are looking for once they are in, so was hoping to kind of keep all the tables from each area together in one room; then post that area's banner up to make them easier to find.

The only other way I could think of to do it would be alphabetical, but in a house with all those different room areas = didn't think that would work very well.

When we get all the tables and can see what kind of room we have to place them, (if we can get them all inside or not) - it will be a lot easier then to figure out how to set them up for best

(and if anyone has any great suggestions on a better mousetrap, way to set them up for ease of finding = I'm all ears!!!! ) laugh.gif


hazmick
I like the area banner idea. You could edit your guild note to say which tables are in which area, so people can quickly look it up.
mALX
QUOTE(hazmick @ Aug 20 2017, 06:49 PM) *

I like the area banner idea. You could edit your guild note to say which tables are in which area, so people can quickly look it up.



Oh, that is a great idea! I didn't know you could make that large of a note on there!


hazmick
QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 20 2017, 11:55 PM) *

Oh, that is a great idea! I didn't know you could make that large of a note on there!

I'm not sure what the size limit is on notes, but it's worth a try.
mALX
QUOTE(hazmick @ Aug 20 2017, 07:14 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Aug 20 2017, 11:55 PM) *

Oh, that is a great idea! I didn't know you could make that large of a note on there!

I'm not sure what the size limit is on notes, but it's worth a try.



If not, we can post it on here and pin it; or maybe take a picture and photoshop the area names on it that we can use as a guide or something.

One of the other Guilds I did the decorating for posted this photo of their table set up as a map:


http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_ima....png?1502641007


I originally made theirs by area with the banners and each area on its own pier off the main dock; but they ran out of inventory slots for the Guild Hall and had to cut down on docks; and when they squished them all up into what you see here they ended up having to alphabetize them instead.


mALX


Morkuldin is in!!!! And we already have 200,000 gold and 93 Vouchers toward the next Wrothgar set! WOO HOO !!!!!!




Grits
Wow, fantastic work, mALX! I am amazed at how fast you are getting these tables!

One of my PS4 guildies has her attuned stations arranged alphabetically and grouped by craft. So all of her woodworking tables are in rows alphabetically in one room, etc. She used the Wayrest house and there isn’t space for a lot of sub-groups there. It’s not pretty, but it’s easy to use. I love the area group idea, but if that turns out to be impractical, alphabetized works well.

This is so exciting! It is wonderful to have so many sets to choose from when making gear, not just for writs. My crew will be leveling and needing new gear for a long time to come. Having all of these sets together in a peaceful place with the lovely sound of seagulls to listen to while working is such a relief!
mALX
QUOTE(Grits @ Aug 21 2017, 08:21 AM) *

Wow, fantastic work, mALX! I am amazed at how fast you are getting these tables!

One of my PS4 guildies has her attuned stations arranged alphabetically and grouped by craft. So all of her woodworking tables are in rows alphabetically in one room, etc. She used the Wayrest house and there isn’t space for a lot of sub-groups there. It’s not pretty, but it’s easy to use. I love the area group idea, but if that turns out to be impractical, alphabetized works well.

This is so exciting! It is wonderful to have so many sets to choose from when making gear, not just for writs. My crew will be leveling and needing new gear for a long time to come. Having all of these sets together in a peaceful place with the lovely sound of seagulls to listen to while working is such a relief!


BOLD: Peaceful place is right! I am so glad to never again have to go to Morkuldin and fight my way to the tables in that place every time!

I was stunned we were able to get two sets in one week! That was Awesome! (I changed one of my slow trade guilds out for one in Mournhold yesterday, and made 1,275,456 gold yesterday alone!!! - will have to spend a lot of time farming to keep up with that guild trader!)

There are 38 crafting sets *at this time; (*Clockwork City is supposed to add three new crafted sets in December, they are not included in that number) - but Monkey already has the three hardest to get sets, so that leaves 35 sets (105 tables).

Twenty of those sets (60 tables) are "gated" = either behind DLC walls, quest locked, or unique to one area. (Like Craglorn or Coldharbour, etc). Those should all fit inside the house easily.

The 15 Universal sets (those found in all three Alliance territories) are going to be the hardest to fit inside.
Those should absolutely be done alphabetically. Some or all of these may end up having to go outside, like maybe around the circular walkway that goes around the house? One of them can replace the regular set that already sits out in the courtyard; that will save us 3 slots.

On some of these sets I've put just a little staging item, like a fire for the blacksmith station that doubles as lighting; (or hopefully in the future a Banner to denote the DLC they represent). The outside sets around the walkway, I hope to be able to put under a tent or something just for looks.

The house itself allows for 600 items, and our courtyard/tower/stables takes up a solid 400 slots of that 600. That leaves 200 slots for the 105 tables; (plus the 9 coming in December) - plus some staging items, **and 13 Mundus stones. It will be a tight squeeze, but I think we can do it and still keep the feel of the place as it has been.


** Mundus stones:

I am waiting till August 31 to see if they put the Imperial City DLC on sale again this year. If they do, I'm buying it with my remaining Crowns. If not, I'll be getting our first Mundus stone for the Guild Hall - so vote for which Mundus stone you want, just in case they don't put the DLC on sale, laugh.gif




Acadian
My thinking on Mundus Stones would be to give priority to 'popular' ones that are not found (for new characters) until the more advanced zones of their alliance. Thief and Warrior would be my input for the first couple based on this.

Another consideration would be that I know there are some players (I'm not one) who switch Mundus Stones depending on what they're doing. I don't know if certain combinations are commonly used for this so can't really help there.

Similarly, my understanding is that users of Twice Born Star (allows two Mundus Stones) sometimes have 'burps' where they need to go tap stones again - but, again, don't know if there are any specific combos commonly used by TBS wearers.
mALX


You are right on the switching ones; Misa had to go back and forth between Thief and Shadow when she was growing in levels (depending on the percentages based on her attributes), and every time they nerf something like Stamina it changes.

Also, you are right on the Twice Born set. When Misa used to wear Twice Born, every time she took off one of the 5 pieces needed for the bonus she would lose that second Mundus stone and have to go back and get it = very irritating, and it is why I stopped wearing Twice Born.

And I actually know some people who Tank, PvP, and DPS with their Dragon Knights. The attribute changes are only like 3,500; and they just flip Mundus signs at their Guild Hall; change their armor. I personally couldn't keep up with changing all the time, but have actually considered doing this with Britta just to find out which style of play I would rather spend a lot of time in doing.

And of course, in this game with them patch-nerfing things all the time, there is always a possibility that we would need to change signs to something better down the road.

Britta uses Lord, and Misa is using Shadow right now; but I actually was also considering Warrior would be a good one to choose for our first = mainly because of all the new changes they made for the Mundus stones a couple patches ago. I do think it will end up being a universal one that everyone will be gravitating toward too. (except for Tanks, of course, lol).


mALX

WOO HOO! We have our first Law of Julianos table of the set! Just under 150,000 gold and 95 vouchers toward the next, WOOOOOOOT !!!!





mALX


WOO HOO!!! We have our second Julianos table!!! Just under 20,000 gold and 107 vouchers toward the next, WOOOOOOOT !!!!




mALX


The Crowns went on sale today; so our Guild Hall now has 3 of the Mundus stones! Warrior, Apprentice, and Lady! They are placed in various spots around the circle walkway around the House! WOOOOOOOOOT !!!!!


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