BBQ at chez 'rocu! BYOB (Bring your own bullets).

Congrats Mirocu, I picked up a .357 mag a few days ago and haven't shot it yet but it is pretty nice. Produced by Weirhauch and imported by EAA, turns out it is the snub version of a revolver I've already owned for years but was imported previously under a different name.

Yup, and some good BBQ sauce


You can get a .357 magnum and you´re congratulating me? When did the world turn upsidedown? I sure didn´t get the memo

Man, I would love me one of those. The closest I can come is a lever gun chambered in .45 colt. Might pick one up at some point in my life

I wouldn't say that's such a bad thing. The .45 Long Colt is an extremely effective round.

I have a derringer chambered in it and firing that thing is about as painful as it sounds.

At the turn of the century, back when it was fine to shoot animals reatedly in the abdomen for testing, the .45 Long Colt was tested along with various other calibers against cows. They only considered the .45 Colt acceptable for use against horses/cavalry and believed that many other cartridges of the day were too ineffective for consideration.

Well, for now I guess I have to settle with my .50 caliber gun. Or shotguns with slugs as it´s usually referred to

So, been shooting a bit with the .22 and it has performed well. I´ve had two hickups when it didn´t reload as it should but I blame that on me not always loading the mags properly. Sometimes I mess it up if I don´t pay attention to what I´m doing.


So what have I been shooting? Bricks, a steel target and an old circular saw blade. Although I quickly found out the blade was a bad idea as it shattered more easily than I thought. Even the steel target gets badly damaged as it´s designed for LR and not WMR. I didn´t honestly think the WMR would be that much more powerful but apparently it is as the target gets deep craters from the impacts.


Getting two more mags on top of the one that came with the gun proved to be a good idea. Although I would like to have a 25 round mag, getting fifteen before reloading the mags isn´t too bad

The new .22 Mag isn´t working out for me. I regret getting an automatic and I regret not getting a .22 lr instead. Adding insult to injury, yesterday something doing with the safety broke and came loose and now the safety randomly locks up the trigger. So because I have to get back to the shop anyway and have it fixed, I might as well trade it back for the gun I really wanted since I was a kid; a levergun. Then I won´t have to deal with loose five-round mags and if they haven´t ruined the gun I´ll get 10-15 rounds in the tube.

And this time I´m getting it in .22lr.


Pic

What a beautiful looking lever action rifle. I bet you'll enjoy the .22LR as it should be easier on your targets and rounds are so readily available for it.

As much as I like black guns there´s just something about wood and steel, right? My mechanic has this gun, but in magnum, and since he won´t sell it I have to get my own elsewhere. Might as well get it in LR too because of the reasons you mentioned, Acadian.

They get back from their vacation on Monday and hopefully I won´t have to put up money in between for the new gun since I also have ammo to get rid of. And equally hopefully they haven´t tampered with the tubular magazine.

Sorry your first choice didn't work out better, but ... HOLY COW, is that the driveway you made last year? It looks AWESOME!!!!

No, it´s not. It´s just a pic I found when doing a search for the gun. Remember, I have to wait for the license first and that is gonna take another four months, at least. So with luck I´ll get my new gun around Christmas

Oh


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*mALX crawls away, hoping for picture of great Mirocu-made drliveway before Christmas gun...*

Guns are good

I´d say they´re fun


You have any guns, Impy?

No, not many guns in Ireland(well maybe in the North but they are less than legal)

I bet you could get a shotgun over there if you wanted, and shotguns are quite versatile as they fire both regular shells and slugs.
Not sure what the requirements are though. Here you either have to be a hunter or spend a year as an active shooter in a club in order to get a license.

Not really into hunting for a few reasons

Yeah I remember when you got the .22 magnum the first thing I thought of was the cost of ammo. Magnum ammo is roughly 3-4x the cost of .22 long rifle ammunition.

I went shooting this weekend, took out an AK and a Ruger Mk 3 and tore up some paper. It was a pretty relaxing weekend overall and the temp wasn't even unbearable.

That is a concern but the main things for me are the magazines and the extra careful cleaning since it´s an auto.

I didn´t think it would bother me but those mags are a pain. Since they only keep five rounds each I have to reload them constantly and because they are like pistol mags it´s much more of a hassle to do on the fly than my .30-06. I just wanna put rounds through the gun and the constant reloading and messing around with mags has really started to be off-putting. Add to this my love for leverguns I had since I was a kid and it really starts to add up. Should have gotten that Chiappa levergun in .22LR when I was down there last November but it felt like a toy gun compared to the Remington. I also have a slight problem with the sights but I know I can live with that and maybe even learn to like it.
Also, since I´m not hunting with it it feels unnecessary to have it in magnum, LR is enough. I´m going down today and hopefully they´ll not demand money in between since I´ve only had it for six months.


Oh, maaan! If I ever leave my country I am so moving to Tennessee!!

I'm in Arkansas but most of the country is similar with a few states being the exception.

Oh, ok. Well maybe I´ve actually leaned more towards Alaska but since hickok45 lives in Tennessee I have reconsidered


So, was down at the dealer today. They won´t take the ammo even though the boxes are sealed and I have to put up some money in between (about 140 bucks) but frankly I don´t care. And the gun may be smaller since it´s a finer caliber but it has a good mechanism and holds 15 rounds, and I won´t have to deal with loose mags and cleaning them all the time.

All in all I can´t wait to get my new Chiappa!!

Wow! I can't believe a) how long it's been since I've been here, and how smart y'all (excuse my Southern) are about guns.

Here in the US, gun control is a huge hot-button issue, especially after any sort of shooting. Ultra-conservatives want their guns no holds barred, and ultra-liberals want them banned. I'm somewhere in the middle. I like to shoot, I like to hunt, (though admittedly WAY less than the rest of my family. They're really into it, while I've become more of a city dweller now that I'm older) but I also understand the need for stricter laws regarding the purchase of firearms. I was taught to handle, store, and fire guns safely from a young age, but not everyone has that background, so fear can grow quickly, and does. Often.

My dad was in law enforcement (game warden) and grew up hunting and fishing in rural areas, as did I. Now that he's retired from that, he works at a shooting range that offers classes on how to shoot and do so safely, which in my opinion, is awesome. I love to shoot, and I'm pretty good at it, and would hate for it to become illegal altogether, but at the same time, I don't keep the guns I own - I let my dad store them, because he has the proper safety measures in place that I can't afford at this point in my life. But on the other hand, there are so many people in my country with firearms that don't give them the proper respect. Thoughts?

About not giving guns the respect that´s needed?


Well, unless they do something outright illegal it´s hard for me to accept a ban. If someone by clear, illegal actions (not going into details here) prove they are not fit to own guns then those individuals should not have them. Hard to give specifics though and I think I prefer to stay away from making calls.

What I will say though, I think those who are regular law-abiding citizens with no violent criminal record should not be restricted as long as they keep their guns away from anyone to just take.

I don't want to get too political and upset anyone. I will post this article on assault weapons, written by the New York times of all places:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunda...eapon-myth.html

The article basically explains that despite getting all of the media's attention for months on end after a high profile shooting, rifles account for about 2% of firearm deaths in the United States.

My opinion as a poster and not a representative of the site:

There is a huge amount of info out there that shows that you are approximately 4x as likely to be murdered by an attacker with a knife than a rifle. This information is from the FBI. The vast majority of firearm related deaths in the USA are committed with handguns. Then you get into the part that people don't like to discuss, which is about 2/3 of firearm deaths included in gun violence statistics are suicides and not murders. Yes we include people who intentionally take their own lives in our firearm death statistics in the USA, which seems a little disingenuous in my opinion.

We have a murder problem too but the vast majority of murders are committed in large cities, even in states or cities with strict gun control. These crimes are also mainly drug/gang related. The FBI has even stated that the 1994 assault weapons ban had little effect on violence and even the most prolific mass shooting in US history prior to last month, the Columbine school shooting, was committed during the assault weapons ban. Overall violence is still and has been on a steady decline in the USA for over a decade.

I do think that mental health records should be a part of background checks for self committed individuals (we only bar sales from people who were forcibly committed to institutions) and I think that they should disallow sales to people on terror watch lists AS LONG as we put a system in place to contest this, which does not yet exist. I don't think any system put in place without due process is a good idea.

Some people point to the UK and Australia and contrast them to the United states but the reality is that the USA shares two massive borders that are easy to smuggle things across. The USA is not a small isolated island where you could easily stop arms dealers from importing guns into even if they were to be banned. There is also the statistical improbability that the USA could ever pick up the 300+ million firearms already here...a British or Australian style system would never work here even if it wasn't a constitutional right.

I won't take any offense whatsoever if anyone has another argument or if Mirocu (or another poster) wants this post removed from Mirocu's non political thread. I rarely voice my opinions because I don't want people thinking that my opinions are law or off limits for discussion just because I am a moderator.

In Tennessee they say, "If you outlaw guns, the only people who will have guns will be outlaws."

Gun controls only stop normal citizens from obtaining guns; the criminal element will still (and always) be able to access them.

I do agree with the idea that people buying guns should have to register them including taking a gun handling safety class before being released their permit.

(but that is just my opinion)

The worst thing about guns in America is not the gun laws but the gun culture.

What about the 1.8 registered firearms in the UK? Why is the murder rate with guns low with a record number of guns registered? The UK is lucky it does not have gangs made up of hundreds of members clashing over drugs/turf inside major cities. It also, if I'm not mistaken, does not report it's suicides in the same category as other shootings.

I'm very very pro-gun, I was just commenting on how conservative American gun culture can be. Good thing is we might start to see a small rise in queer/leftist gun culture but it'd still be minuscule in comparison to the stereotypical conservative gun culture in America.

So I am not sure what you are saying.

My mistake. I thought you were just attacking gun owners without any further explanation.

And yes, there has been a massive surge in gun sales by gay men/women because they're (rightfully) worried about being targeted. I feel horrible for the reason that they're buying them but it's a harsh world and people are targeted for almost anything these days.

Hopefully we get more LGBTQI+ **EXCLUSIVE**(looking at you Pink Pistols!) gun clubs in the future.

This is all good and well, but I would be a happy bird if we got back to simply talk about shooting for fun. I can be very political myself and certainly about gun laws and so, but I didn´t want this thread to be about that. Some discussion is ok, but I think we can drop it for now. Otherwise it can get out of hand and take over since there is certainly much to be said about this subject



I didn´t look it up first, but the gun I´m getting is a takedown model. It has a big screw on the right side of the receiver and if you unscrew it, the whole gun comes apart which makes it easier for transport and storage. Could have lived without it tbh, but this was the only lever gun in .22 they had.

It´s also the standard model. The de luxe model has checkered grips and is otherwise a bit snassier, but whatev. I´m but a humble peasant anyway

No problem. Apologies Mirocu.

No apologies needed, I assure you

I wanted to know what is the better stance/grip for holding a pistol, and why?


Between this:


http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploa...P01_DA_0425.jpg



and this:


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads...ck_67040473.jpg

The incorrect posture is on one leg, with the other foot raised as a target.

Pictures, or it didn't happen! BWAAHAA!


http://assets2.doyouyoga.com/uploads/2015/...istol-Squat.jpg


"Oops!"


http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2...hot-in-foot.jpg



GAAAAAH! Look out for the guy behind you!


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"Would the audience in section B please vacate with all haste..."


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Neither. Most shooters use a two handed weaver stance.

Is that like this?


http://aliengearholsters.com/media/wysiwyg/Blog54-4.png


(and that kind of didn't answer my question, I want to know what is the best to use and why).

That's the one. The weaver stance is the most useful because of several things. Mainly it positions your body in a way that works with physics.

It looks simple but there is actually a lot going on. Your feet are set about shoulder length apart with the foot on your shooting hand in the back and the foot on your weak hand up front similar to a boxer's stance. This centers your weight and makes sure you have a stable shooting stance.

Your primary hand holds the gun and your arm is straight. The secondary hand wraps around your fingers ahead of the pistol's grip and pulls inward toward your body slightly. This helps to tame the upward recoil when you actually fire. Look at it like this: If you hold one hand out in front of you in a fist and someone slaps the bottom your hand moves upward. So your off hand is helping to hold your shooting hand stable while the firearm's recoil pushes upwards and tries to pivot your wrist upward.

Finally, you lean slightly forward. Keeping your weight ahead of you keeps your upper body from moving backward when firing. Because of the way physics exerts force when you hold something that is essentially detonating a contained explosion away from you your body will try to bend rearward. If you lean forward your core absorbs that force by placing it in the center of your already stable position.

During my career, I put a lot of pistol rounds downrange - mostly .45 and 9mm. I agree with Kiln's assessment.

Thank you, Thank you! This is exactly what I was hoping to learn! Thanks, Kiln!






This is good, especially the 9mm. Did that one (in particular) have a lot of kickback? Okay kickback? Not so much? Can you rate it for me (and tell me the make of it, if you don't mind).

The .45 was the 'standard issue' USMC pistol during the first half or so of my career. It had a notable kick and fabulous stopping power. At about the mid point in my career, the .45 was replaced by the 9mm Beretta. It carried more rounds and had a fairly gentle recoil but lacked the stopping power of the .45.

Most of us that had the opportunity to use both preferred the .45 for its stopping power. We viewed a pistol as a 'last resort bad guys charging into your face' weapon. For that purpose, we wanted something that would not just kill but physically knock a charging opponent back. And the .45 was good for that.

So it depends what you want. Nothing wrong with the 9mm though. Here's more info on it: http://www.marines.com/operating-forces/eq...retta-m9-pistol

A 45 is bigger than me, I just wanted to know about the 9mm. I owned one that I gave to my son. He and his wife have bought sets of matching pistols of their own now, and I was considering asking for it back for protection.

I never shot that one, but did shoot my old 25mm revolver. That one had no kick, but threw to the left really badly. Add that to my terrible (aka Maxical) aiming and you have a bunch of scared neighbors,

Brimful of ashes on the .45?



As I can´t get either that or a nine mill, I´m gonna stick with rifles I think. A small part of me told me to get the same gun I´m trading in but in .22 LR and then get 25 round banana mags for it but the bigger part of me told it to bugger off; I´m getting me some lever-action now! Finally!

One thing to note is that not all guns feel the same just because of caliber. Smaller/lighter firearms generally are less comfortable to fire than larger/heavier ones because lighter objects move more easily and have more felt recoil because of this.

A large .45 may be more comfortable than a micro 9mm for instance. In my opinion most lightweightcompacts are very punishing to shoot. Steel frame firearms of the same action type will typically absorb recoil better than a polymer pistol of the same design.

Mirocu- I think you'll like it when you get it. It'll be lots of inexpensive fun.

What about the ammunition? I'd expect a heavier low-velocity round to produce a different recoil from a lighter but higher-velocity one. So the propellant/slug ratio in a given round would change things.

Sniper rounds are heavy AND high-velocity for accuracy, but we're not at that end of the spectrum here.

Who says we're not?

Absolutely right. Generally the faster and heavier a bullet is the worse the recoil will be. A lighter, more aerodynamic bullet may be able to achieve the same speeds with less recoil because it takes less powder to push it out of the barrel at the desired velocity. A large bullet is harder to push at a higher velocity and requires a heavier powder load.

As for rifle rounds though, a .308 rifle bullet (a typical law enforcement sniper round) is actually relatively light and aerodynamic, running about the same size and weight as 9mm. It is also a .30 caliber bullet similar to 9mm in diameter, although the dimensions from front to back are different. Longer barrels suited to optimize velocity (unburned powder is sometimes wasted from a short barrel) are also chosen to keep velocity up.

Basically though what makes a rifle faster is more powder, a longer casing to store that powder, and a substantially longer barrel. The bullets are mostly kept light so that they can travel further without dropping.

Now with older guns the focus was on fast AND large but generally the range wasn't as good.

Well, two of my female friends had 45's that they were comfortable with - I'd have shot my own foot off just trying to pick them up; they were way too bulky a gun for my (small) hands. The Ruger I had was a perfect fit in my hand and weight; and my husband said it was beautifully accurate.

This picture looks similar (and it did come with the case and extra clip) :






vs 45 - Do you feel lucky?







I actually did see some decent sized 45's on Google, surprised me! Maybe they make them smaller - and the guns my two female friends owned were both revolvers, that might make a huge difference too.

On the bullets, what is better for stopping power if say you are a smallish female alone in the house; and some big burly men break in? What bullets would make sure they couldn't just get mad and take the gun from you and use it on you? We used to keep 15 hollow points in the Ruger, but is this the best thing to use for the scenario above?