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Dark Reaper
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 8 2018, 03:23 PM) *

I have been hearing about a live action star wars tv show for a while now. TBH, I am a little uncertain about it. Star Wars seems better suited to animation. You can do anything in that format. But doing it live action, and making it look good, is going to be a very expensive and time-consuming process.


Beware the eyes of Wicket.
SubRosa
QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Mar 8 2018, 04:37 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 8 2018, 03:23 PM) *

I have been hearing about a live action star wars tv show for a while now. TBH, I am a little uncertain about it. Star Wars seems better suited to animation. You can do anything in that format. But doing it live action, and making it look good, is going to be a very expensive and time-consuming process.


Beware the eyes of Wicket.

Exactly what I worry about!

Something else that occurs to me is that with a live action show, it will be difficult to portray established characters like Lando, or Han, or Palpatine, etc... They have to either re-cast the role with a new actor, or use the very expensive (and not entirely perfect) process of digitizing the original actors faces on top of a stand in. That would be a good reason to set the series in a completely different time period.

OTOH, doing it live action means they can go for more mature stories. The problem with animation is the perception that only kids watch it. So shows like Clone Wars and Rebels were always made for ages 7+. I am sure they want to do a show more like Game of Thrones or Westworld, with lots of sex and gore. That is what sells these days.
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 9 2018, 01:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Mar 8 2018, 04:37 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 8 2018, 03:23 PM) *

I have been hearing about a live action star wars tv show for a while now. TBH, I am a little uncertain about it. Star Wars seems better suited to animation. You can do anything in that format. But doing it live action, and making it look good, is going to be a very expensive and time-consuming process.


Beware the eyes of Wicket.



OTOH, doing it live action means they can go for more mature stories. The problem with animation is the perception that only kids watch it. So shows like Clone Wars and Rebels were always made for ages 7+. I am sure they want to do a show more like Game of Thrones or Westworld, with lots of sex and gore. That is what sells these days.

I’m completely on board with that. Except Star Wars doesn’t need to have gore or sex to be great. It wouldn’t fit, at least the sex part. There’s been tons of questions like that on Reddit of SW should be more marked and the answers, well, a good 85% at least are all in favor.

I’d prefer a more nuanced tale, stepping away from the usual tropes we see that are prevalent in the films.
Kane
Gimme dat KoTOR show fam
SubRosa
So has anyone noticed all the triangles in Rebels? Zeb has one painted on his right chest. Kanan has one under his throat. In the episode where Ezra infiltrated the cadet training school one of the cadets (Jai) had one on his helmet. The Mandalorians serving the Empire have them on their helmets. That is just what I can think of off the top of my head. There are a lot of other people and items they show up on as well.

Could this be a Star Wars Illuminati thing? Or maybe someone in the art department just likes triangles? (Wolf imagery appears a lot because Dave Filoni likes wolves, that's also the reason for the Loth-Cats).
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(Kane @ Mar 9 2018, 02:13 PM) *

Gimme dat KoTOR show fam

Yes sir! This is a must.
SubRosa
So... First rule about Star Wars triangles, is no one talks about triangles? I get it...


In non-triangle-related Star Wars stuff, today I noticed that two new Han Solo books are coming out shortly. Last Shot is a Han and Lando novel. It is out April 17. Most Wanted is a Han and Qi'ra story (she is the hottie in new Solo movie). It is out in late May. So those are things to keep an eye out for.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 10 2018, 07:38 PM) *

So... First rule about Star Wars triangles, is no one talks about triangles? I get it...


In non-triangle-related Star Wars stuff, today I noticed that two new Han Solo books are coming out shortly. Last Shot is a Han and Lando novel. It is out April 17. Most Wanted is a Han and Qi'ra story (she is the hottie in new Solo movie). It is out in late May. So those are things to keep an eye out for.

Well Khajiit has never noticed the triangles thing and so has never formed an opinion as to what they might mean.

Lol that’s kind of funny: Last Shot laugh.gif
You know because of the first shot controversy rollinglaugh.gif
SubRosa
Star Wars: Resistance may be the title of the next Star Wars animated project. The name implies a series set in the Resistance/First Order period, which I think will be cool to see. Unless this is what the live-action show will be.
SubRosa
I have been reading some of the Prequel era books lately. I started with Cloak of Deception. I was a little disappointed, because I thought there would be more Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in it. Still, it was ok. It is set shortly before The Phantom Menace, basically a prequel to the prequel.

It mainly shows Palpatine's maneuverings behind the scenes to set up the crisis in Phantom Menace. He puts Nute Gunray in control of the Trade Federation by assassinating the other members of its ruling Directorate. At the same time he engineers the whole issue of taxation of free trade zones, sets up an excuse for the Trade Federation to get approval to arm its ships and create a droid army, and even sets Chancellor Valorum up for his eventual fall by making it appear like he is taking bribes from the Trade Federation.

All of it was interesting, and fills in a lot of areas otherwise left fuzzy by the movie. Thanks to it I even rewatched the prequel films. This time I was able to actually tell the Neimodians by name, thanks to the novel.

Cloak of Deception leaves a dangling plot thread in the form of a Neimodian from Gunray's inner circle who has gone rogue to sell what he knows of Sidious to the highest bidder. I thought that was followed by the Darth Maul: The Wrath of Maul book, so I read that next. Turns out not. Instead it is basically follows his life from childhood to defeat by Obi-Wan. It was ok, but again, not great.

Right now I am almost finished with Darth Plagueis. It is interesting in that it too fills in a huge amount of backstory for not only Palpatine's rise to power, but also for the Post-Bane Sith in general. But again, it is hard for me to really love, because there are no characters for me to really like. Still, it is some fascinating stuff. It shows how the Jedi's ability to read the future became clouded by the Dark Side. Mostly by Plagueis and Sidious performing some kind of rite that tipped the galaxy-wide balance of the Force in favor of the Dark Side. But there is also mention of a Sith Lord several generations before who likewise created a Dark Side nexus that also began poisoning the galaxy and the Jedi. Along with that we also see how the Sith's machinations created the greed and corruption within the Senate that so plagued the latter days of the Republic, and also slowly created the rift between the Outer Rim and the Core Worlds that eventually became the Clone Wars. We even saw how Anakin was created by the Force itself, as a direct reaction of Plagueis and Palpatine's tipping of the balance.

What has really struck me though is the failure of the Darth Bane's Rule of Two. I know, it sounds kind of crazy to say that at first, since it did ultimately result in the Republic falling and becoming a Sith Empire, and the Jedi Order being wiped out (except for a few survivors hiding out in sticks). But the problem with the Rule of Two is that it means each Sith Master is training his or her murderer. All for the eventual hope that somewhere down the line someone will finally win big against the Jedi. Not many are really content to do that. Selflessness is not a Sith ideal, and that is precisely what the Rule of Two requires for all those Sith before Palpatine. Because they are expected to do their one little thing for the Grand Design, then die and pass on the mantle to the next generation.

In the end, the two Sith who did finally succeed both rejected the Rule of Two. Plagueis felt the whole antagonistic relationship between Master and Apprentice was wasteful and pointless. He planned to share his power with his apprentices. I mean that in the plural, because Palpatine was training and using Maul while he himself was still Plagueis' apprentice. Instead of seeing that as a sign that Palpatine was planning on teaming up with Maul to kill him. Plagueis saw it is a good idea, because it gave them an extra resource to use when assassinations were called for. Since Plagueis had learned the secret to manipulating midi-chorlians to resurrect people, he had defeated death. He fully intended for him, Palpatine, and Maul to live forever. There would be no future generations of Sith to follow them.

Yet while Plagueis was content to share his power, he of course was always going to be the Master in the arrangement. As we all know, Palpatine is not one to share power, or remain anyone's second. So naturally Palpatine murdered Plagueis. When he was Master, Palpatine likewise had no intention of training his eventual successor. Like Plagueis, he was going to live forever, though his method was essence transfer. He was resolved that there would be no Sith Masters after him. So he continually pit his apprentices and proto-apprentices against one another, like Dooku vs Anakin, or Vader vs Luke, and had them train their own apprentices like Ventress. One apprentice was not enough, because he needed to keep them off balance by pitting them against one another. That way they could not focus on him (something really effective dictators do).

Next up I am going to try Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. That one is supposed to directly follow up the events of Cloak of Deception, as Maul hunts down the renegade Neimodian.
TheCheshireKhajiit
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As fascinating as this one finds the Sith, they really are unbelievably dumb. So they institute this “Rule of Two” because having many Sith around at one time was just causing infighting. Why the hell would any Sith master want to train an apprentice knowing that apprentice would be the death of him/her? It seems to Khajiit that if a Sith Lord could accept the “Rule of Two”, he/she ought to be able to also try working with other Sith to achieve their goals. In each case you may eventually lose your power, but it is a certainty in the “Rule of Two”.
Kane
I think the idea was that with every apprentice eventually killing the master, each generation of Sith was getting progressively stronger. It may have taken a while, but it did work. Palpatine was insanely powerful, and no one could stand against him.

Well, almost no one. Mace Windu managed to beat him in lightsaber combat, and Lucas did say that is canon, so.
SubRosa
Kane I do agree with what you are saying, to a certain extent. I believe the idea is basically survival of the fittest. Once a Master is no longer strong enough, the Apprentice kills him or her, proving that they are now the strongest.

But in practice is still means that each Master knows they are training their own murderer. Why not just decide to live forever instead? That is what both Plagueis and Palpatine chose. Plagueis' master also tried using essence transfer to take over Plagueis' body after Plagueis murdered him. I think even Bane, who founded the whole Rule of Two, tried the same when his Apprentice Zannah killed him. Self-Sacrifice is just wholly against the Sith doctrine.

That is why I think it was a failure. The most successful Sith Masters all abandoned the idea and went their own way.

OTOH you can also look at it this way: Under the Rule of Two the Sith ruled the galaxy for 20 years, and spent 980 years hiding like rats from the Jedi. That is not a very good ratio. At least back before the Rule of Two they ruled vast swaths of the galaxy for thousands of years. Even if not the entire thing.
TheCheshireKhajiit
And just because an apprentice is able to take power doesn’t mean he is stronger than his master. Take the events of KotOR, for example. Malak took power via sneak attack on Revan’s flagship. In a straight up fight, Revan could mop the floor with Malak; and she proved it biggrin.gif
Kane
Revan is a she?

TIL
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Kane @ Mar 22 2018, 10:27 AM) *

Revan is a she?

TIL

Khajiit’s was!
SubRosa
My Revan was a she as well.

That is why I would not want to see a Kotor film, or read the Revan novels that are out there. It would be totally contrary to how I view Revan.

I do see what you mean about sneak attacks Khajiit. But then again, being stealthy and using surprise against an opponent you have lulled in a false sense of security is another form of power. Bane's idea with the Rule of Two was that pure strength was not the only weapon of the Dark Side, but also corruption, secrecy, poison, etc...

Sidious himself killed Plagueis by poisoning him, then finishing him off with force powers when Plagueis was helpless. Though in the movie Sidious said Plagueis was killed in his sleep. Plagueis killed his own master Tenebrous in the middle of a crisis, when Tenebrous was using his force powers to hold up the roof of a collapsing mine shaft above them. Tenebrous was distracted, and already busy with using his powers. Plagueis saw his chance and instantly took it, killing Tenebrous while his guard was momentarily down.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 22 2018, 03:36 PM) *

My Revan was a she as well.

That is why I would not want to see a Kotor film, or read the Revan novels that are out there. It would be totally contrary to how I view Revan.

I do see what you mean about sneak attacks Khajiit. But then again, being stealthy and using surprise against an opponent you have lulled in a false sense of security is another form of power. Bane's idea with the Rule of Two was that pure strength was not the only weapon of the Dark Side, but also corruption, secrecy, poison, etc...

Sidious himself killed Plagueis by poisoning him, then finishing him off with force powers when Plagueis was helpless. Though in the movie Sidious said Plagueis was killed in his sleep. Plagueis killed his own master Tenebrous in the middle of a crisis, when Tenebrous was using his force powers to hold up the roof of a collapsing mine shaft above them. Tenebrous was distracted, and already busy with using his powers. Plagueis saw his chance and instantly took it, killing Tenebrous while his guard was momentarily down.

This one see’s your point, but Khajiit is going to have to argue all of this sneakiness in taking power didn’t really work out for them. Sure, ol’ Palps was in “control” of the Galaxy for a time, but that was over in a relatively short amount of time. This one still believes that, though it was entire point of the “Rule of Two”, power was being taken by weaker apprentices. Poison? What are the Sith, common assassins? The better way to ensure true strength was passed on would be to have an all or nothing duel between master and apprentice. If the master won he could decide to keep training the apprentice or execute him/her and find a replacement. If the apprentice won, he/she would kill the master and become the new master and the circle starts again. Just Khajiit’s opinion. Much of it is subjective to one’s personal ideas about true power.
SubRosa
I just finished watching The Last Jedi on 4k. I wasn't bothered so much by many of the things that disappointed me when I saw it the first time. But I would still rather Rian Johnson not direct another Star Wars movie.

Luke's weird milk-fixation is sort of becoming funny now. In the most recent edition of the Star Wars comic they even made a running joke out of it, with Luke and Wedge drinking in a bar, and of course Luke has milk... biggrin.gif

I did notice something at the very end of Last Jedi that I had not caught before. When the boy goes out to look at the stars, he reaches for a broom to sweep with. His hand never makes it to the broom. Instead the broom flies the last half a foot or so into his hand. That kid is a future Jedi. A nice touch.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 28 2018, 07:17 PM) *

That kid is a future Jedi. A nice touch.

Or a future Sith depending on how angry he is about his folks making him sweep the floor tongue.gif
Dark Reaper
It will be mine. OH YES! It will be mine..
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Mar 29 2018, 01:17 AM) *

I just finished watching The Last Jedi on 4k. I wasn't bothered so much by many of the things that disappointed me when I saw it the first time. But I would still rather Rian Johnson not direct another Star Wars movie.

Luke's weird milk-fixation is sort of becoming funny now. In the most recent edition of the Star Wars comic they even made a running joke out of it, with Luke and Wedge drinking in a bar, and of course Luke has milk... biggrin.gif



Heh, Mark Hamill did mention his irritation at them making room for alien milk and tities and not a mourning/funeral scene.
Dark Reaper
I remember when I was watching The Force Awakens and small part of me wanted Kylo Rin to be Luke Skywalker playing both sides both Rebels and First Order.
Dark Reaper
Star Wars Corner is back at my house biggrin.gif .

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Dark Reaper
Whoever at Hasbro thought of this needs to be slapped...HARD!!!

https://youtu.be/UM55BYsswWY
SubRosa
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May the 4th be with you!
Dark Reaper
May the Cage be with you.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ May 4 2018, 05:51 PM) *

That is... horrible beyond words.
Dark Reaper
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ May 5 2018, 09:11 AM) *

That is... horrible beyond words.


I didn't want to have to do this but you've left me with no choice...I have to beautify you. When the procedure is over you'll love all that is the great and beautiful Nicholas Cage. This won't hurt a bit tongue.gif .

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Uleni Athram
Enfys Nest’s design AND combat badassery tho

Mmmmmmmmmmmm that some good ish right there fam hit me up with it more tho
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 04:07 AM) *

Enfys Nest’s design AND combat badassery tho

Mmmmmmmmmmmm that some good ish right there fam hit me up with it more tho

Uh, what?
*edit* Lol, oh, the “Now Watching” thread explains it.
Uleni Athram
Hands down the best part of the Movie was Enfys Nest and That Other Guy ™. Definitely go watch it; it ain’t as bad as people make it out to be (though it still isn’t as great as they think it is).
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 10:04 AM) *

Hands down the best part of the Movie was Enfys Nest and That Other Guy ™. Definitely go watch it; it ain’t as bad as people make it out to be (though it still isn’t as great as they think it is).

Is the Nest guy the dude in the mask?
Uleni Athram
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 1 2018, 12:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 10:04 AM) *

Hands down the best part of the Movie was Enfys Nest and That Other Guy ™. Definitely go watch it; it ain’t as bad as people make it out to be (though it still isn’t as great as they think it is).

Is the Nest guy the dude in the mask?

Yah man. I don’t wanna spoil anything but Enfys? is such a combat badass that I’m willing to bet $1 on him winning a melee-only fight against low level Jedi Padawans/Knights and certain Imperial Inquisitors from the Rebels show (Seventh Sister and Eighth Brother, possibly against the Fifth Brother too). He’s more destructive than Chirrut Imwe with a staff if you ask me.

Hmm...

Chirrut vs Enfys... Now that’s a good match up!
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 10:58 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 1 2018, 12:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 10:04 AM) *

Hands down the best part of the Movie was Enfys Nest and That Other Guy ™. Definitely go watch it; it ain’t as bad as people make it out to be (though it still isn’t as great as they think it is).

Is the Nest guy the dude in the mask?

Yah man. I don’t wanna spoil anything but Enfys? is such a combat badass that I’m willing to bet $1 on him winning a melee-only fight against low level Jedi Padawans/Knights and certain Imperial Inquisitors from the Rebels show (Seventh Sister and Eighth Brother, possibly against the Fifth Brother too). He’s more destructive than Chirrut Imwe with a staff if you ask me.

Hmm...

Chirrut vs Enfys... Now that’s a good match up!

Is that a modified Clone Trooper helmet he wears,
Uleni Athram
I don’t think so, nope. I like the design though; combines tribal with hi-tech that we usually don’t see much.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ May 31 2018, 08:24 PM) *

I don’t think so, nope. I like the design though; combines tribal with hi-tech that we usually don’t see much.

Khajiit is a fan of it, whatever it is, lol
Kind of reminds this one of that cool helmet in Fallout: New Vegas DLC Honest Hearts. The one the White Legs tribal leader wears.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Salt-Upon-Wounds%27_helmet
SubRosa
I looked up Enfys Nest, and wow, you guys are right. That is one awesome outfit! I want more Enfys!
Uleni Athram
Honestly the new designs Solo introduced were just waaaaaay too god. Especially those Mimban mudtroopers. Reminds me of the grunts of the Imperial Army back in the EU.
Uleni Athram
A comment on YT had me thinking...

TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jun 3 2018, 12:04 AM) *

A comment on YT had me thinking...



Lol, you can’t think too much about it.
SubRosa
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jun 3 2018, 01:04 AM) *

A comment on YT had me thinking...



It is probably like you said. It took all his concentration to do it, and he probably could only do it to only one person.
Dark Reaper
I just got back from seeing Solo and I LOVED IT also love the shout out to Masters of Teras Kasi. Nice one Ron Howard lol laugh.gif . I love the guy who played Young Han and Glover did an excellent job as Lando. Oh and L3 gets some loving's too, I thought she was hysterical.
SubRosa
I saw it after all as well. It was good. Not great, but a solid Star Wars film.

Reaper, besides the video game, Teras Kasi has been in a lot of the EU books. It was Darth Maul's fighting style (well, one of them at least). Vos taught it to Q'ira. I wonder who taught Vos...

I liked L337 (LeeT!) She looked like the astromech from the KOTOR games, given a bipedal body. I wonder if that just an accident, or if they intentionally borrowed the head from the games? She was a lot of fun.

But she was also kind of sad. She is literally the first time in a Star Wars film that it was acknowledged that droids are slaves. While most droids are literally unthinking machines, we do know that some are much more than that, such as Artoo, Threepio, etc... They have personalities, feelings, thoughts of their own, agency of their own, etc... They are people, just made of metal rather than flesh. In the EU books, there are even droids who have been legally emancipated, having the same rights as any sentient.

But they do nothing with this long-time coming acknowledgment that droids are slaves. It is treated as a few tossed off lines and ignored by all the other characters. At best it is a joke. Which is rather sad when you consider the main movies are about a rebellion fighting against a dictatorial empire that enslaves entire worlds. I think it would have been better to not have touched upon the idea of droid freedom at all, rather than to have brought it up and then ignored it.

I was also little disappointed in one thing Lando did. But I could be wrong about that.
Dark Reaper
QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jun 4 2018, 06:33 PM) *




He probably never cheated after getting caught and went on to use his charm to get what he wants after losing his ship.

I don't know why this film is considered a bomb but as far as a Star Wars movie go like you said it was a solid movie with a good plot and exciting action. I think some so-called fans are just sore cause the universe they want no longer exist and the one that's getting made is doing well for itself. I like strong women in main roles, I didn't care that L337 was a Droid Lives Matter activist, she was great for her part just like Rei is okay for her part. I will say the next Star Wars entry is going to be awkward since Carrie Fishier passed away and the writers killed off Luke to soon, we're just going to have to sit back and see what's in store in the next SW film.
SubRosa
In the three Lando books from 1980 or so he did not much like being a starship captain. It was too much work with repairs, fuel costs, docking fees, etc... He wasn't really sorry to lose the Falcon to Han. He preferred riding on a luxury liner and living in style, and fleecing wealthy tourists at the sabacc tables while he was at it.

But then of course in the later books he did get another ship - The Lady Luck. Which I always thought was a cool ship.

In any case, Lando was a lot of fun. Donald Glover really made that role his own.

I also like that at the very end, Han fired... well, you know. wink.gif
TheCheshireKhajiit
Man Khajiit wants a Star Wars western style movie. Clone Wars has this great episode where Ahsoka, Obi Wan, and Anakin teamed up with some bounty hunters against the Weequay Pirate Hondo Ohnaka, who was harassing a village. It was Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven but in the Star Wars universe. Loved that episode!
Uleni Athram
QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 5 2018, 10:36 AM) *

Man Khajiit wants a Star Wars western style movie. Clone Wars has this great episode where Ahsoka, Obi Wan, and Anakin teamed up with some bounty hunters against the Weequay Pirate Hondo Ohnaka, who was harassing a village. It was Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven but in the Star Wars universe. Loved that episode!

Turn thine eyes upon the upcoming Boba Fett Movie then, Cat Man Dude. By all accounts it’s going to be as western as it can get in SPACE! and all that
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jun 4 2018, 09:18 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 5 2018, 10:36 AM) *

Man Khajiit wants a Star Wars western style movie. Clone Wars has this great episode where Ahsoka, Obi Wan, and Anakin teamed up with some bounty hunters against the Weequay Pirate Hondo Ohnaka, who was harassing a village. It was Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven but in the Star Wars universe. Loved that episode!

Turn thine eyes upon the upcoming Boba Fett Movie then, Cat Man Dude. By all accounts it’s going to be as western as it can get in SPACE! and all that

Fo realz?
Uleni Athram
Fo pickle my sneezle

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