Lol, this one isn't sure. Vader had a pretty good one that Khajiit chuckled at.

I choked on my snack when he made that one lol

*wink wink nudge nudge*

What can I say? I've always preferred the Jedi to the Sith. The Sith approach just seems counter-intuitive.

Also, poking around online I'm not too keen on the characters that wrote the sections. Sorzus Syn and Darth Bane's sound promising, though I had to go to Wookiepedia to find out who the former was. I've got a book featuring Darth Malgus, and I didn't really think much of him. Talzin and Plagueis are in the wrong era for me really, and Sidious' section might have some interest to it, but he pops up in what might be the dullest period for the Sith.

Now, if the book had featured sections by Revan and Malak, or some of the ancient Sith Lords mentioned in KotOR2, I'd be all over it.

Yeah the Sith are always getting their butts kicked. Are these books you've been looking at considered canon?

According to this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends

Anything that was part of the EU before Disney took over was declared non-canon and was put under the "Legends" banner. The Bounty Hunter Code was written after that, but also carries the "Legends" banner. I don't know about the Imperial Handbook and the Book of Sith, but I'm guessing they're the same. In fact, poking around on Wookipedia reveals that the Imperial Handbook is definitely in the "Legends" section, and suggests that the Book of Sith is also.

Well crap Princess/General Organa/Solo has left us today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/iconic-star...-174459671.html .

Booo 2016! Boooo!

And she was my favorite of the original characters.

I made a tribute video for her using Star Wars Battlefront: https://youtu.be/fgbJMZbHZpI

This.

2016 has been a full-blown psychopath.

Incredible that such a young actress could carry the whole scene by herself in Star Wars IV.

I heard some audio on the radio yesterday after the news came through and they played the 'I smelled your foul stench the minute you walked on-board' dialogue and it made me smile.

Very impressive to be able to put that much scorn into one's voice. She was very talented and will be missed.

And to Peter Cushing no less! Peter Cushing will forever be one of this one's favorite actors. Whether he was Dr. Victor Frankenstein or Wilhuf Tarkin, he was very believable. That Carrie Fisher could walk on the same stage and steal the scene is, as Vader would say, "Impressive. Most impressive.".

No.
Please, just no.
No.

Well Carrie's mother sadly passed away today: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/debbie-reyn...-014354818.html .

WTF?!!!

What? No! That's terrible!

No. Stop, just please. Stop. No.

That's a very good point.

This one felt literally nothing for Anakin in the prequel films but thinks we should be feeling like his fall was very tragic. He was supposed to be this big Jedi hero whose fatal flaw was that he was afraid to let go of his loved ones, but throughout the PT he doesn't really come off as very heroic. He's brash, and arrogant, which honestly aren't strikes against him, but the incessant moodiness and whining we get from him just makes Khajiit very unsympathetic to his character. The most heartbreaking things about Anakin's fall in the PT were the deaths of the Younglings and Obi Wan's pain when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar, but this one feels nothing for Anakin himself. Just seems like a grave disservice was done to the character of Anakin Skywalker in the PT. When Khajiit saw season 1 of The Clone Wars he thought "Finally! This is the Anakin Skywalker we've been missing all these years!".

I felt the same way about Anakin in the prequel films. He was just a whiny brat. I am sure the Anakin from the Clone Wars tv show was the character we were supposed to see. Like you said, that Anakin is a strong character with qualities one can easily admire, such as his unswerving loyalty to and faith in his friends. Yet he is also a person whose flaws become slowly apparent as the show progresses.

Yes the show captured Anakin's personality quite well. That's one thing I enjoyed so much about the Clone Wars. He's progressed so much.

Okay, but none of that is new to the Star Wars universe. The only thing it adds is the setting, and it's one that's of no real interest to me.



Lucas can't do characters. That's the main reason for the whole "Han shot first" debacle. And anyone who's watched Star Wars on dvd can see just how much he vandalised that scene in making Greedo shoot first. Lucas is one of the few people who actually likes jar jar binks. Let me say that once more, so it can properly sink in: George Lucas likes jar jar binks. Clearly, he doesn't even know what a good character looks like.

Jar-Jar Binks is the character everyone talks about, even if it's just to hate him. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Characters you can easily hate are just as important to a franchise, as they make everyone else look good.

Lucas sees the money side of Jar-Jar, not the idiotic side.

Well, one could say that it actually adds an Anakin Skywalker that people could care about, lol.

Anyway, it's a 30 minute an episode show spread over several seasons. Easy watching. The characters are well done for the most part (looking at you Ziro the Hutt!) and there are some interesting storylines. Also keep in mind, the new canon is coming directly from these TV shows too. That said, Khajiit want try to convince you anymore. He respects your decision either way!

Eh. I have mixed feelings about the Clone Wars. Especially with Dave Feloni running it. I absolutely
Hate Rebels. It's all so one-sided that it's ridiculous but hell its the name of the show so I can't complain.

The Clone Wars retconned a lot of stuff even before the Disney wipe.

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Force Arena. It's basically the clunky love child between DotA/LoL/Vainglory and that Clash Royale shindig.

Lol, Khajiit doesn't know what those initials are for

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.

Probably the latter. With the way things were from Episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if they offed Luke (Rey, I'm NOT your fatheeeeerrrghhhhhh...) and instigate Rey as the first Last and all that jazz. I also agree with you on being just sick and tired of this whole Last of his Jedi Kind shindig; but instead of the Skywalkers, I'm hoping for a different .... Legacy, shall we say, this time around. Let the other Jedi take the spotlight for once; loke a descendant of Kenobi or Windu or Generic Jedi #1283939272282638. Or quite possibly even a descendant of Revan.

Did you know that Revan and Bane actually had a scene with The Son during the Mortis Arc, but got deleted? Hooo boy.

Yes, Khajiit was indeed aware of this. Unfortunate, that.

Name sounds familiar.

Sounds like Luke's going to be the main center piece in this episode, I really hope Captain Phasma plays a Bigger role in this film and hold a somewhat hostile grudge towards Fynn. In all I want this movie to rival Rogue One, sure R1 had a clunky start but man did the second half of the movie kick so much ass. I want Episode 8 to pull no punches, don't copy anymore of the original trilogy, no super weapons or at least no more Death Stars. I want balls to the walls excitement and Star Wars goodness.

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

They already set up that Luke was off looking for the first Jedi temple. This part is pure speculation, but I imagine his failure with Kylo/Ben made him distrust his teaching ability, so perhaps he went looking for some old school info on how to be a better teacher there. So we know that is what he has been up too. Perhaps the temple is on Ahch-To (the island at the end of Force Awakens). Or maybe it is somewhere else.

In any case, Luke needs to die. Otherwise the new characters cannot go forward in their own story arcs. Just as Kenobi and Yoda had to die so that Luke would have to be the one to step up in the original films. If Kenobi had lived through A New Hope, he would have been the main character, and Luke just his sidekick/Padawan. That is why even though Han is in Force Awakens, they keep his role to that of the same kind of mentor that Obi-Wan was. Otherwise it would have just been a Han Solo movie.

It is clear that they want the new characters of Rey, Finn, and Poe to be the stars of the new trilogy. The original characters are there to provide an anchor to the past films. But they are the heroes of the past.

Plus, that is what happened in the old movies, and JJ Abrams is incapable of doing anything original. All he can do is copy what better writers have already done before. Force Awakens is proof of that.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.

Yeah. Sheev. *cringe*
Lucky for him his last name (when combined with "Emperor") and his Sith name are pretty decent (imo).

Khajiit would definitely prefer Snoke and them to be a different brand of Darksider than Sith.

Khajiit has always wondered...
What ensures that there is only ever two Sith Lords with the "Rule of Two"? Do they have every single Sith relic under lock and key? Weren't there Sith holocrons in the Jedis' custody as late as the destruction of the Jedi Temple by Vader?

Some of them were fake, like Sorzus Syn's (the original never left their possession). And I'd hazard a guess that the rest would contain knowledge so inconsequential that the Sith Lords basically just said, "Eh, let 'em have it." The Banite Order emphasized deceit after all, so I wouldn't put it past them. And even if some random darksider got his paws on one holocron of significant power, chances are a millennium worth of informants and spies would alert the true Sith and they'd be on his case faster than you could say, "Han Solo in Episode 7 tho."

But wasn't a big reason for Sidious building his palace over the ruins of the Jedi Temple so that he could excavate under it to find the ancient Sith Temple that the Jedi supposedly built on top of? If so, there's no telling what artifacts the Jedi had in their possession; the Jedi Temple was there for multiple millennia, right?

Isn't that part of the newer canon, introduced in err... Lords of the Sith? I haven't really got around to reading the 'new' canon yet, so forgive me if I bumble in my reaction at this. I mean, if the Jedi temple really was constructed over the ruins (?) of Sith temple then yeah, there might be some artifacts lying there.

Hmm...

I read that some where. I'll see if I can round up a source.

*update* Can't find it so please disregard my post about the Jedi Temple being built on top of a Sith temple.

He will be. The Jedi vs Sith conflict weighed far too heavily in the EU, so going for Dark Jedi would be a step down from the Original Trilogy and the prequels. And we've already seen some them one-up Vader in TFA. Vader deflected blaster bolts with his hand in The Empire Strikes Back but what's-his-mask(I find it far too amusing referring to him like that ) froze a blaster bolt in mid-air. He'll be a Sith even more powerful/badass than Palpatine(flip a coin to figure which way they'll go), because Jedi vs Sith is playing it safe in the Star Wars universe.

And remember; with the EU having been disavowed, officially there's only been one Jedi vs Sith conflict, so they likely don't consider it a dead horse.

I think JJ purposely put it in the movie that the time of the Sith was over, at least in the first movie for now.

"I’ve seen evil take many forms: the Sith, the Empire, and now the First Order." Maz Kanata.

Basically, the Sith returned and formed the Empire, and now that they are gone the First Order took their place. Anakin wiped out the last Sith when he killed Sidious and, in a way, Vader.

Unless Kylo Ren breaks up the Knights of Ren and announces himself as a new Sith Lord, I don't see them returning.

There again, who is going to teach him the ways of the Sith? If Snoke, then that would make him a Sith or at least someone who is knowledgeable enough in their ways to train another Sith Lord in which case he still might as well be Sith. Khajiit thinks if they go this route, it might would be cool for "whatshismask" to go on an expedition to Moraband/Korriban and commune with the spirits of the ancient Dark Lords. Not sure they would do this though, given the supposed reason for cutting out the Revan scene in The Clone Wars.

The prequels establish that the Sith were in hiding for a thousand years before Palpatine made his move, so I think they could manage a few decades of secrecy. Especially if they've got a force they can hide behind.



The simplest thing to do would be to have Darth Plagueis' spirit/echo/Force-whatever loitering around and training someone in the wake of Palpatine's death. Considering that Kenobi stuck around for some time, and what Plagueis could do with the Force, they've pretty much got everything they need for it.

As messed up as Snoke is, this one wouldn't be surprised if Snoke pulled off the Star Wars equivalent of Lichdom.