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mirocu
QUOTE(Renee @ Feb 11 2019, 09:30 PM) *

Only thing you need to figure out is...

rollinglaugh.gif

... well. You know.

Whether or not to play Doom 2016? Well, I pretty much have that on hold for now. I'm mostly into it because you can level up armor, guns etc and I'm such a junkie with regards to that.


Or were you thinking of something else? wink.gif
mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 24 2019, 01:10 PM) *

@mALX - Hmm, looks like I'm gonna need the CD and install from there. Hopefully I can still use my old saves..


Thanks!


Edit: Didn't even need DOSbox. I just needed to go to main setup, tinker around and click Save and Launch! That didn't launch the game though but it worked when I clicked on the exe. I noticed when I left setup that a launch.tmp file was created. Apparently that was what was missing.

Now I can play Duke Nukem on yet another machine and I can even use my old saves!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif



QUOTE(mirocu @ Feb 11 2019, 02:54 PM) *

Crikey! I just found a video instructing how to use DOSBox correctly, but I didn't even watch the video because I found the most helpful tip in the comment section; drag and drop the .exe file onto DOXBox icon! That's it! ohmy.gif


Wolf3D and Red Baron didn't have music but now they do! ohmy.gif


Only thing now is I need to figure out how to play in fullscreen.


WOO HOO !!!!!!


https://askubuntu.com/questions/175763/how-...ull-screen-mode





mirocu
Thanks, mALX! I'll try it out biggrin.gif
mirocu
Went to youtube today and found that the Restore Youtube add-on was inactive "for my protection". [Insert that's what she said here]. Needless to say I was heartbroken as the new layout looks crap and I HATE IT. But I went to Firefox add-on page and found Classic Youtube instead and now it all looks good again.

Phew, was almost worried there for half a minute tongue.gif
Decrepit
QUOTE(mirocu @ Feb 21 2019, 11:23 AM) *

Went to youtube today and found that the Restore Youtube add-on was inactive "for my protection". [Insert that's what she said here]. Needless to say I was heartbroken as the new layout looks crap and I HATE IT. But I went to Firefox add-on page and found Classic Youtube instead and now it all looks good again.

Phew, was almost worried there for half a minute tongue.gif

Hurrah for Firefox!
mirocu
Indeed! Can't say I miss IE very much tongue.gif
Kane
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mALX

Imgur has also changed its format to some completely user-unfriendly version that I hate. It seems like everything is going away from convenience to add a bunch of stuff no one wants.

For the last month I've noticed YouTube jamming the Title of the vid you are watching across the top of the screen so you lose viewing of the entire upper part of the vid. Watching gameplay vids; that completely cuts out the stats at the top of the page that I always want to see. In Decrepit's vids it cuts off his humorous comments throughout the vids. It is really irritating; why doe YouTube think we need to know the Title of the vid while we are trying to see it in full screen?

*grumble, grumble...*










mirocu
*throws Classic Youtube add-on at mALX*
mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ Feb 21 2019, 03:00 PM) *

*throws Classic Youtube add-on at mALX*


Huh? Will it take all that huge printing out of my vid screen?





mirocu
If you have Firefox and can use it, yes biggrin.gif
mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ Feb 21 2019, 03:23 PM) *

If you have Firefox and can use it, yes biggrin.gif


google chrome?




mirocu
No idea how Chrome works, sorry. My advice was for if you had Firefox kvleft.gif
mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ Feb 21 2019, 03:46 PM) *

No idea how Chrome works, sorry. My advice was for if you had Firefox kvleft.gif



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Decrepit
Not a hardware issue, but instead software.

During YouTube searches I almost always sort results using the Upload Date filter at far right. (Not the ones on the left.) All of a sudden, that no longer does anything. (I've not tried other filters as I never use them.) Booted up my secondary computer and launched YouTube. I'm not logged into my YT account there, so should not be affected by any mistake I might have made on my primary machine that might cause the SNAFU. Nope...the filter does nothing there either.

Anyone else experiencing this???????
mirocu
Don't have a YT account and I don't use that feature so can't help you there. Don't know anything about it. But I'm gonna give you a tech support reply; "Have you tried shutting down and rebooting?"


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mALX
QUOTE(Decrepit @ Mar 16 2019, 01:41 PM) *

Not a hardware issue, but instead software.

During YouTube searches I almost always sort results using the Upload Date filter at far right. (Not the ones on the left.) All of a sudden, that no longer does anything. (I've not tried other filters as I never use them.) Booted up my secondary computer and launched YouTube. I'm not logged into my YT account there, so should not be affected by any mistake I might have made on my primary machine that might cause the SNAFU. Nope...the filter does nothing there either.

Anyone else experiencing this???????



I use that filter on the right too; and it has always worked for me. (I use it to sort "Oldest to Newest" to find the Fallout 4 vids more easily).

When did it stop working for you? I'll have to check it out and see if it is still working for me. Thanks for the heads up!
Decrepit
More on YouTube search filters not working. Searching YouTube videos on the issue unearths next to nothing, or did as of yesterday. Seems odd. You'd think creators would be howling to the rafters since last of filtering makes it difficult to find new videos.

Had better luck searching via DuckDuckGo. Here's a reddit thread about it.

If what is discussed has basis in truth, and it certainly might, it bodes ill for those who enjoy YT for its ability to let us access events and viewpoints not sanctioned by the powers-that-be as presented and shaped by mainstream establishment news and entertainment sources. YT has already taken a number of steps along those lines these past few years, after all. But there I go getting political again. <quietens downs>
mALX
QUOTE(Decrepit @ Mar 19 2019, 06:29 AM) *

More on YouTube search filters not working. Searching YouTube videos on the issue unearths next to nothing, or did as of yesterday. Seems odd. You'd think creators would be howling to the rafters since last of filtering makes it difficult to find new videos.

Had better luck searching via DuckDuckGo. Here's a reddit thread about it.

If what is discussed has basis in truth, and it certainly might, it bodes ill for those who enjoy YT for its ability to let us access events and viewpoints not sanctioned by the powers-that-be as presented and shaped by mainstream establishment news and entertainment sources. YT has already taken a number of steps along those lines these past few years, after all. But there I go getting political again. <quietens downs>



Well, the reasons given in that Reddit page kind of don't make sense; because YouTube has always had a policy of removing anything that they didn't approve (anything of a violent or sexual nature specifically) = so why would they break a feature just to make vids less accessible (instead of just blocking those vids like they have always done in the past? )

I actually did test out that sorting function on the right side yesterday (I've always used it to sort "Oldest to Newest" so I could get to the Fallout 4 vids on an Author's page) = it was still working for me, though.

I def agree with what you and someone on that Reddit page were saying though = they are def catering to the high volume publishers; the ones that pull in advertisers that they probably gain some income from. I've noticed that recently their search function ALWAYS shows a vid I searched for in the past stuck in with my current searches = like they don't care about showing me what I'm searching for NOW; they are more interested in making sure I am still seeing the ones I searched for last month or something. It completely dilutes the search from being focused on what I want to find! Google is doing that exact same thing as well; it doesn't matter what I am searching for = every single search I make has a Backhoe bucket in it that I searched for over a month ago to show Mirocu! Why do they think a Backhoe bucket is relevant to me trying to search for information on a local death? They are so focused on getting the right ads in our faces that they have completely turned away from the whole reason for having a good search function and turned it into an advertising tool.

Urgh, rant over.





Kane
QUOTE(mALX @ Mar 19 2019, 10:00 AM) *
Google is doing that exact same thing as well;

This isn't a coincidence. Google owns YouTube.
mALX
QUOTE(Kane @ Mar 19 2019, 10:35 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Mar 19 2019, 10:00 AM) *
Google is doing that exact same thing as well;

This isn't a coincidence. Google owns YouTube.


Aha! That says a whole lot!



Sakiri
Basically, if a viewpoint isn't leaning left of center(the closer to Marx you go, the better), Google has been trying to suppress it.

This has been going on for years, and it's getting even more obvious recently.

Luckily I don't rely on Youtube searches for my news(I check web pages directly, and bloggers that post links to various places) though this method may not be viable once the stupid copyright directive gets launched.

THAT is a whole other internet destroying can of worms.

And that's as far as I'll go on the subject. Since I don't want to get too political.
mirocu
Just handed in my old Windows 3.1 computer to a company that might be able to help me fix it. They actually said they probably had some Win 3.1 startup diskettes laying around which is the one thing I don't have.

I don't think it's an impossible task, only a question of money. As always wink.gif
mirocu
Turns out I was wrong. My beloved 3.1 computer is beyond salvation. It's apparently too broken and the content on the harddrive cannot be salvaged.

At least I gave it an honest chance.
Acadian
Aww, sorry, mirocu. Too darn bad new puters aren't smart enough to play old games. kvright.gif
mirocu
Thanks, Acadian.

I'm terribly nostalgic over that computer so it's more than just the games. I really am bummed out now.

Sakiri
*hugs bird*

Come over for fika. I'll make a pie.
TheCheshireKhajiit
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2019, 11:22 AM) *

Turns out I was wrong. My beloved 3.1 computer is beyond salvation. It's apparently too broken and the content on the harddrive cannot be salvaged.

At least I gave it an honest chance.

Sorry birb. sad.gif
mirocu
Thanks, guys.
Kane
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mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2019, 12:22 PM) *

Turns out I was wrong. My beloved 3.1 computer is beyond salvation. It's apparently too broken and the content on the harddrive cannot be salvaged.

At least I gave it an honest chance.



sad.gif Oh Mirocu, I'm so sorry! verysad.gif







mirocu
I know it's silly, but that was my favourite computer having had it for nearly 25 years. I have so many memories coming back just from thinking about it. Everything that happened in my life around that grey box. It always felt solid as a rock, like it could never break down. It was that reliable.


I'm glad I took precautions a few years back and transferred everything to my Milennium. Not the same obviously, but it's there. Even some of the high scores which is kinda natty.
SubRosa
Commander Data and I both feel your pain...
mirocu
Thank you SubRosa, you actually managed to give me a chuckle laugh.gif
Decrepit
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2019, 01:15 PM) *

I know it's silly, but that was my favourite computer having had it for nearly 25 years. I have so many memories coming back just from thinking about it. Everything that happened in my life around that grey box. It always felt solid as a rock, like it could never break down. It was that reliable.


I'm glad I took precautions a few years back and transferred everything to my Milennium. Not the same obviously, but it's there. Even some of the high scores which is kinda natty.

Wow! Your comment makes me realize I've been a PC gamer since 1989. 30 years!!!!!!! Never saved any of my earliest machines much beyond the point no new top-tear game titles ran on them. Nowadays I have three PCs, all of which served as primary PCs in their day. Even the oldest can run Windows10. I probably haven't turned that system on since "upgrading" to Win10 when MS stopped supporting Vista. If I ever do turn it on, it'll prolly take a solid day to DL and install all Win10 updates released since then. (Which reminds me, my primary PC for some reason still hasn't made the jump from Win10 1803 to 1809. That's fine by me.)

Funny, up until maybe two/three (?) years ago I still had my original Win3.1 installation disks, manuals and packaging. Same for Win95/98/XP/Millennium. Ran out of shelf storage space, figured I'd never need 'em again, so junked 'em all to make room for other things.

Speaking of Win10, time is running out for Win7. I'm gonna need to "upgrade" my secondary machine before next January. No way around it. My brother uses it during his weekly visits. It needs to remain bulletproof, internet wise. I thought to perform the "upgrade" several weeks ago. My bro announced he would NOT visit one weekend, giving me a two-weeks window to ensure all was well. But, when the time can I felt too crappy to mess with it.
Dark Reaper
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2019, 10:22 AM) *

Turns out I was wrong. My beloved 3.1 computer is beyond salvation. It's apparently too broken and the content on the harddrive cannot be salvaged.

At least I gave it an honest chance.


Gives Senpai Crow a hug.
Decrepit
Gah! Was watching vids at YouTube until a few mins ago. At that time an ad appeared, which shouldn't happen with an AdBlocker enabled. I then received a message, something to the effect that Firefox did not recognize one of my add-ons, which had been automatically disabled. Clicked on Firefox's Add-ons page to see what was up. That's when I notice that ALL my add-ons are now not recognized and thus disabled. A quick web search found this to be a new (as of today) issue, already being addressed. In the meantime I've temporarily switched to Brave, a browser I auditioned some time ago but ultimately decided isn't as good as Firefox. Be that as it may, it's certainly more than good enough to fill in for Firefox until this SNAFU is corrected.
mirocu
Same problem as you, Decrepit. Lemme know when this issue has been corrected, I can't live without Old Youtube and Adblock! panic.gif panic.gif
mALX
My Browser is Google Chrome; and I've been (for the last several weeks) suddenly getting a large white box "prompt" to log in (that completely covers the vid so you can't see what you are trying to watch).

That large prompt does go away if you "go back" and then reopen the page; and it did still disappear today when I did that = but today (for the first time) after I came back to the page I got a smaller white box "prompt" (that also covered the vid so it couldn't be seen) = but THIS NEW PROMPT offered me ONE FREE MONTH TRIAL OF NO ADS! After that we will have to pay to use YouTube or put up with ads.

GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!


And by the way = I have also noticed several times recently that they have cut into vids NUMEROUS times for ad inserts so that you can't watch a 4-10 minute vid without seeing numerous ads that break up your vid into segments! You can see how many adds you will have to watch by pausing the vid and counting the little yellow marks on the recording line.

Example: I have a vid paused right now for Fallout 4 Settlements by Oxhorn that is 1:15.07 long; and is showing 8 ad segments already cut into that vid. That is not including the several ads I had to watch first just to see the vid to begin with.

Not just that; but at the beginning of vids when you USED to get just 1-2 ads = you are now getting 6-8 in a row before you can even see the beginning of the vid you want to watch!

I already went on a search for a replacement to YouTube several weeks ago when they forced their adds overlay whenever I paused vids trying to see a detail on the vid itself (so I couldn't see anything on the paused vid, only their ads).

The best competitor I could find didn't have a search engine; so there was no way to Google what you were looking for and have ANY of their vids come up without actually typing their name in the search field just to see any of their vids at all = and then just got a dump of everything they had, no way to sort to what you were looking for.

I wonder how much of this has to do with them OR is it because (I think I learned this from Decrepit) Google owns YouTube. So maybe instead of searching for a replacement of YouTube, I should be looking for a replacement for Google instead, not just YouTube.

(not to mention that at this point that competitor had almost no vid submissions in any field, so were useless as competitors against YouTube)

What I had noticed several months back was that when I search for anything via either Google or YouTube = instead of bringing up what I was actually looking for, instead they are bringing up stuff I asked for months ago, as if that crap is pertinent to today's search!

Like: "Here is what you are looking for right now," (shows 2 submissions) = but HERE is what you searched for last month! (shows 6 submissions).

Remember when you could Google something and get 32 pages of JUST what you were actually looking for? And if some of the submissions were off, at least they had that keyword in them and so were relevant!

** Rant not over


verysad.gif


Its the end of the era of user-friendliness...






treydog
And that- plus the sneaky information collecting- is why I switched from teh Google to DuckDuckGo as my search engine of choice.
Decrepit
QUOTE(mALX @ May 4 2019, 10:17 AM) *

My Browser is Google Chrome; and I've been (for the last several weeks) suddenly getting a large white box "prompt" to log in (that completely covers the vid so you can't see what you are trying to watch).

That large prompt does go away if you "go back" and then reopen the page; and it did still disappear today when I did that = but today (for the first time) after I came back to the page I got a smaller white box "prompt" (that also covered the vid so it couldn't be seen) = but THIS NEW PROMPT offered me ONE FREE MONTH TRIAL OF NO ADS! After that we will have to pay to use YouTube or put up with ads.

GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!


And by the way = I have also noticed several times recently that they have cut into vids NUMEROUS times for ad inserts so that you can't watch a 4-10 minute vid without seeing numerous ads that break up your vid into segments! You can see how many adds you will have to watch by pausing the vid and counting the little yellow marks on the recording line.

Example: I have a vid paused right now for Fallout 4 Settlements by Oxhorn that is 1:15.07 long; and is showing 8 ad segments already cut into that vid. That is not including the several ads I had to watch first just to see the vid to begin with.

Not just that; but at the beginning of vids when you USED to get just 1-2 ads = you are now getting 6-8 in a row before you can even see the beginning of the vid you want to watch!

I already went on a search for a replacement to YouTube several weeks ago when they forced their adds overlay whenever I paused vids trying to see a detail on the vid itself (so I couldn't see anything on the paused vid, only their ads).

The best competitor I could find didn't have a search engine; so there was no way to Google what you were looking for and have ANY of their vids come up without actually typing their name in the search field just to see any of their vids at all = and then just got a dump of everything they had, no way to sort to what you were looking for.

I wonder how much of this has to do with them OR is it because (I think I learned this from Decrepit) Google owns YouTube. So maybe instead of searching for a replacement of YouTube, I should be looking for a replacement for Google instead, not just YouTube.

(not to mention that at this point that competitor had almost no vid submissions in any field, so were useless as competitors against YouTube)

What I had noticed several months back was that when I search for anything via either Google or YouTube = instead of bringing up what I was actually looking for, instead they are bringing up stuff I asked for months ago, as if that crap is pertinent to today's search!

Like: "Here is what you are looking for right now," (shows 2 submissions) = but HERE is what you searched for last month! (shows 6 submissions).

Remember when you could Google something and get 32 pages of JUST what you were actually looking for? And if some of the submissions were off, at least they had that keyword in them and so were relevant!

** Rant not over


verysad.gif


Its the end of the era of user-friendliness...

Seems to me you'd be better off with Firefox than Chrome, at least once this current Firefox SNAFU is resolved. So far as I know, Firefox has no plans to banish/weaken ad blockers and the like, which Google/Chrome seems hell-bent to do. Or you might try Brave, the browser I now temporarily use. Unlike Firefox, Brave comes with ad blocking enabled by default. (At least it did when I installed it. With Firefox you need to enable blocking via Add-on, a simple process.) An added plus, during install Brave flawlessly transferred all my Firefox Bookmarks, even keeping me signed in to every site Firefox is signed in to. Some folk complain Brave now bears too much visual resemblance to Chrome, which likely isn't a minus for you. I prefer Firefox of the two (except for this hopefully short-lived SNAFU). In any case, you can install Bravo and/or Firefox without harm to Chrome, then uninstall if you don't like either of them.

Also, switch to a less obtrusive search engine. I prefer DuckDuckGo for everyday searches. In some ways its little if any better than Google Search, but at least it doesn't sell your info to marketing and other agencies. As to a YouTube replacement, I don't believe a truly viable one exists. Nor do I expect one to materialize anytime soon, with things as they are now.

Here's a link to Brave's "features" page, which gives a good overview of its aims. Again, I'm not giving it wholehearted endorsement, preferring Firefox. But, Brave isn't bad at all, and with Firefox currently 'acting up,' now's a good time to give Brave a look-see.
SubRosa
QUOTE(Decrepit @ May 4 2019, 08:09 AM) *

Gah! Was watching vids at YouTube until a few mins ago. At that time an ad appeared, which shouldn't happen with an AdBlocker enabled. I then received a message, something to the effect that Firefox did not recognize one of my add-ons, which had been automatically disabled. Clicked on Firefox's Add-ons page to see what was up. That's when I notice that ALL my add-ons are now not recognized and thus disabled. A quick web search found this to be a new (as of today) issue, already being addressed. In the meantime I've temporarily switched to Brave, a browser I auditioned some time ago but ultimately decided isn't as good as Firefox. Be that as it may, it's certainly more than good enough to fill in for Firefox until this SNAFU is corrected.

There is a work around for Firefox disabling your addons.

Go to about:debugging in your address bar

Click on Load Temporary Addons

From here you can manually add back each addon by their .xpi file. If you have them backed up get them from your backup folder. If not you can get them straight from your Firefox install folder. C:\Users\<Username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\<some random shit>.default\extensions

The caveat is that if you exit Firefox it all gets wiped out, and you have to do it all over again the next time you open it.


Edit: Looks like they fixed it now.
mirocu
QUOTE(SubRosa @ May 5 2019, 12:07 AM) *

Edit: Looks like they fixed it now.

It's not fixed for me. I still get error messages when trying to download addons sad.gif sad.gif
Decrepit
QUOTE(mirocu @ May 5 2019, 01:43 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ May 5 2019, 12:07 AM) *

Edit: Looks like they fixed it now.

It's not fixed for me. I still get error messages when trying to download addons sad.gif sad.gif

I'm with you sir bird. FF is still in SNAFU mode for me. Thankfully, Brave Browser makes a satisfactory substitute while this mess is being fixed.

Since my brother is likely visiting this afternoon, I fired up my secondary computer first thing this morning. There, Firefox is working with Add-ons as normal. However, this was the first time it has been fired up since long before the issue began. I went ahead and installed Brave there just in case. My bro isn't very computer savvy so for sure I don't want him using vanilla Firefox should the SNAFU kick in while he's on the internet.

Haven't yet (since waking this morning) searched for any status updates concerning the issue and its fix
mirocu
Sorry to hear you're still having issues too, Decrepit. Would you recommend Brave to a bird stuck in the past and who wants something kinda similar to FF? Adblock and old Youtube theme are requirements.
Decrepit
QUOTE(mirocu @ May 5 2019, 04:45 AM) *

Sorry to hear you're still having issues too, Decrepit. Would you recommend Brave to a bird stuck in the past and who wants something kinda similar to FF? Adblock and old Youtube theme are requirements.
Alas, so far as I know Brave does not have an "Old YouTube" equivalent. As mentioned, it does have Adblock built in without need of an add-on. I think it makes a good fill-in for FF while this mess continues, but FF still reigns supreme IMO (discounting this current SNAFU). Oh...Brave DOES support Chrome Add-ons, as I understand it. Maybe there's an Old YouTube equivalent amongst them??????

Here's an official blurb about the FF SNAFU.
mirocu
Enabled Studies, fix show up in the list but add-ons still inactive and any attempt to download result in "connection problem".


I want to post certain words now.....
Decrepit
QUOTE(mirocu @ May 5 2019, 05:13 AM) *

Enabled Studies, fix show up in the list but add-ons still inactive and any attempt to download result in "connection problem".


I want to post certain words now.....

<nods> I had Studies enabled all along. Like you, the fix is listed as having been completed. Yet nothing changed. Not yet in any case.

BTW, just visited Brave add-ons "store." Saw two add-ons there that might be what you're looking for YouTube wise. Didn't bother to investigate either as I'm okay with the current YouTube setup. Am a bit confused as the button for those add-ons is labeled "Add to Chrome" rather than "Add to Brave." Might be SOP for Brave, but I've not yet needed an add-on for it so don't know.
SubRosa
That's interesting. Firefox has working fine for me since last night. I also did the manual method of re-adding my addons that I linked to from Reddit. Maybe that has something to do with it.
mALX
QUOTE(mirocu @ May 5 2019, 05:45 AM) *

Sorry to hear you're still having issues too, Decrepit. Would you recommend Brave to a bird stuck in the past and who wants something kinda similar to FF? Adblock and old Youtube theme are requirements.



Have you tried clearing your internet cache of all cookies; removing all temporary files from your hard drive; then restarting your PC? Sometimes that helps to get rid of a lingering issue.

Also, if you have a "Smart" Firewall = you can reset it and sometimes that wipes out a lot of secret permissions that your search engine has established for itself without your knowledge. I've had to do that regularly because Google keeps giving itself permissions I'm not comfortable with; and it sets everything back to "day one" with Google having no permissions at all for about two weeks.

I already have Firefox installed, and since you gave me that link (Thank you very much for that! That is a great help!) I plan to try out Brave = just waiting to see if all this YouTube trouble goes away by changing browsers or if we are seeing the wave of our unhappy futures where YouTube is concerned. I have the terrible feeling that it is following in Photobucket's footsteps here.

But I most def want to try DuckDuckGo; especially if it acts the way Google USED to act, (IE = shows what you ask to see, not what you asked to see last week or month to "remind" you). I'll ask my son to get it installed on my PC.

Thank you Treydoggie and Decrepit for your help !!!

Oh, and I wanted to ask = didn't Microsoft used to have their own search engine packaged with their PC's? Is that still a viable option? (MSN or something) = I have used it when searching for Microsoft related software; (Malware removal tools that Microsoft used to put out monthly) but never thought of trying it for other things.

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