An interesting dilemma, one I've not yet faced. My primary PC has ran Win10 from the get-go. My third PC was upgraded to Win10 from Vista, which must be done by fresh install rather than "update." My second PC continues to run Win7 and likely will until MS renders it officially obsolete in 2020(?). I figured a web search might reveal the answer in short order, but found nothing concrete. (I admittedly didn't look overly long.) I've not yet searched YouTube for the answer.

I've decidedly that I still prefer Firefox as my browser of choice...for now. It's just enough more feature rich and convenient to keep me from jumping ship to Brave in its currently state of development (Beta). Enabling the Menu Bar so that Tabs are pushed a bit lower than screen top reduces what might otherwise have been a lease breaker to a mere strong dissatisfaction. Page Zoom WE is not as versatile as its predecessor, but still serves its basic purpose. Other than Page Zoom and Classic Theme Restorer (which allowed to move the Tab Bar where I prefer it) all the add-ons I use survived the transition intact.

ADDENDUM: This video doesn't specifically address removal of the old Windows folder, but the method used might be worth investigating. I've not tried it so can't attest to its reliability or lack thereof.

ADDENDUM: This video confirms that the above approach SHOULD work to remove the Old Windows folder. Either that or it's a scam. But then any and everything can be a scam.

Interesting. Didn't know about that. Still frustrating, especially because it is seems hard to find. I am pretty sure I found where in settings to do it, but the final steps that actually grant admin rights seems hidden. I don't see an actual "Grant Admin Rights" kind of thing.

At least the particular problem I needed it for is gone, because it finally showed me a tip on the sidebar that actually let me delete it. But I will probably need admin rights for the future. And for some reason I keep losing a few GBs quickly for no apparent reason on my C: drive, although it gets wiped out eventually. Temporary files should not be taking up that much space though, so I think there is something else going on. I'll have to figure it out later.

Gah. Just got mugged by Firefox 57, fortunately just on the Windows partition. It's awful. Had automatic update turned on somehow. This is what happens when you don't give your Win7 a bit of TLC, I guess. Usually use Linux for browsing, but spending more time in Windows at the moment because of modding.

Now I'm trying to figure out which way to revert it and restore everything (bookmarks are easy, but I like to keep ancient browser history, bit sentimental that way...)

Oh, with regard to alternate browsers, Pale Moon looks pretty good. Only problem is that it isn't too easy to migrate Firefox settings to it. They did have a migration tool, but that's been pulled since Mozilla/Pale Moon development has diverged too much.

I'm less displeased with FF57 than expected. I'm certain not thrilled about it, and prefer prior versions. Seems to me that most everything "improves" these days by becoming worse.

Back to alternatives, I may or may not have mentioned that Brave imports Firefox bookmarks without a hitch. More surprising, some of the sites I logged into with Firefox kept me logged in when visited with Brave. (This site did so.) But again, I still prefer Firefox over Brave...for now. Yeah, I've heard good things about Pale Moon. Never tried it.

ADDENDUM: It dawns on me that I've not given an update on my "new" PC since just after assembling it months and months ago. There's a reason for that. Not much needs be said. It works as it should. No issues whatsoever. Not after finally getting my rear speakers to work correctly, a power amp problem, no fault of the PC. My one disappoint, as stated before, is that motherboard audio doesn't equal the sound of my PCI-bus Soundblaster X-fi card. But I knew that going in. Windows 10 isn't all that bad...once many of its marketing and snooping functions are disabled.

ADDENDUM 2: Now Thursday morning, I realize I've not yet gotten the Windows 10 "Fall Creators Update" (version 1709) but still run the "hopelessly outdated" original "Creators Update" (version 1703). Anyone here been updated to 1709 yet? If so, what do you think of it compared to 1703???? Did you need to reapply your custom settings after the update?

Hmm...something's going on. Frequent pauses on YouTube vids. Slow loading sites. First time I've experienced net congestion since the forced switch to U-verse. Not sure what the issue is. Wonder if Microsoft has decided this is when they're gonna update me to Win10 Fall Creators Update? That's gonna be a BIG download when it happens. 4 gigs or so if memory serves.

ADDENDUM: This cleared after maybe 45min.

Been using Brave Browser all evening, after becoming more and more frustrated with the new Firefox_release 57 layout. Not being able position the Tabs Bar so that it abuts the main view window has been harder to adjust to that even I thought, and I knew I wouldn't like it going in. Discounting that I still prefer Firefox. It's more polished, with a number of "convenience" functions Brave, still in beta, lacks. One definite drawback to Brave for now it that clicking on the SIGN IN button at the "new" official Bethesda Forums results in blank page. Thankfully its the only webpage incompatibility I've encountered thus far. Also, as mentioned before Brave as yet lacks equivalents to a couple of Firefox add-ons I like rather much.

Been using Brave almost exclusively these past few days. (I'm typing this in Brave.) For most things I like it rather well. That said, I've encountered a potential lease breaker, at least so far as using Brave as my default browser is concerned. On sites that require mini-windows for data input, as this does in the case of linked URL entry, the mini-windows do not open. (I believe picture embedding might have the same issue, but haven't tried it yet.) I visited the Brave forums but found no solution yet. (They provide a YouTube video with various means of solving the problem, but none work for me.) So I reckon I'm stuck with Firefox. Not a bad thing. I still like Firefox. I just like it less since the update to release 57.

Still struggling with the new Firefox Tabs Bar location, or rather an inability to move the Bar from its long time default location to where I prefer it. Brave didn't work out as it, for some reason, doesn't allow "mini-windows" like the one needed here to link URLs to open. Too, Brave lacks Firefox's polish. But that in and of itself isn't a lease breaker. Hopefully either Brave will iron out its current issues or someone will figure out a workaround that allows movement of Firefox's Tabs Bar. Course if the FCC abolishes Net Neutrality as it seems hell bent on doing next months, squabbles over perceived browser efficiencies are likely to be the least of our online worries by a long shot.

An upcoming project I dread...both my exercise-walk shoes and my general purpose out-and-about shoes are approaching the end of their useful lives. As I did for my current shoes, I'll research online and decide what I want before buying anything. No point visiting local shoe stores and trying on pairs that interest me. As a male size 7, I'll be lucky they carries any shoes that fit, much less shoes for someone who comes in already knowing what they want to try. What usually happens is I'll do my research, find out who carries the brand locally, visit the store, see the exact model I want on a shelf, and announce I want to try it in size 7. At that point I'm told "sorry, we don't stock that size, but can order it for you." Thing is, if I'm not able to try on a shoe beforehand I'd as soon order it myself online, cut out the middleman, and likely save bucks in the process.

Replacing out-and-about shoes "should" have been a no-brainer. I'm totally sold on my Skechers Shape-ups Work shoes. I attributing them for allowing my knees to heal back when it seemed they were destined to go out on me. Boy do I love those shoes. But...Skechers has phased out the line. They can still be found at Amazon....for $300 a pair. That's way out my league. (My current pair sold for about $100 back around early/mid 2010.) I'd like something their equivalent, but my admittedly too brief research has turned up nothing yet.

Replacing exercise-walk shoes should be easier. My New Balance models do a fine job, but are not in the same league as Skechers Shape-ups. I'm going to try and stick to a $60 max limit if at all possible.

MS finally "updated" my PC to the Win10 Fall Creators Edition. Sadly, I can't recall everything I need to check to make sure my modified settings are still good. I'll figure it all out eventually.

Now Saturday morning, returning to the computer this morning I noticed that Cortana has been reactivated. Looks like MS removed the old method I used to deactivate it. Luckily a YouTube video showed me how to do so via Regedit. See looks to have worked once I added the needed registry entries and value, then restarted the PC. I've a vague recollection that something else needs to be done to remove other aspects of Cortana, but can't for the life of me recall what.

Bah...
I haven't done any music listening to speak of since the move to Win10 Fall Creators Update. While ago I decided to revisit the Scheherazade video I linked in another thread. Sounded crappy. Turns out the Update removed all my custom audio settings. I'm back to 2-channels (instead of 4-channels configured to simulate 5.1 channels) with no enhancements (EQ, surround, etc.). Been monkeying with audio controls a while now. Can't get back to the quality I had pre update. I'll eventually hit upon something resembling what I had before. I hope. I should have had the sense to write down all my custom settings prior to updating. Gotta love MS....not.

I have an issue that has come up lately.


I can be on my computer for a good amount of time when suddenly things start to slow down. Like if I click on something, either on the web or locally on my puter, it doesn't react until three to four seconds later. Very irritating if I play chess or write something. I have to reboot everything to bring it back to normal.

Anyone has an idea as to why this happens?

Memory issue, perhaps?

Yes, our dear glargg put that idea into my brainz just now. Not sure what I can do other than clear browser history cache or whatevs it's called. Which I will do now, back in a jiff

It sounds like you have something running in the background that is steadily using up your RAM, and is never releasing any back when it no longer requires it.

You could try doing Ctrl+Alt+Delete and bringing up the Task Manager. From there look at the Processes tab. It will show you everything that is running, and how much memory each is using. You can even sort by Memory, to show what is using the most to the least.

See if anything there is using a lot of memory or cpu cycles. Then take the name and Google it. That is a good way to see if it is spyware or a virus, not to mention to see what it really does if it is legit.

Thanks, Rosa

It seems that the IE windows are using about 50 MB each, but what swooped me off my legs was that AdblockPlusEngine is using 144MB*!

Is it supposed to use that much? There's also a difference between the Explorer windows. One is using less and is called iexplorer.exe and those using much more are called explorer.exe and iexplorer.exe * 32


* Looking more closely I can see it doesn't use any CPU and not much else seems to either except one or two of the iexplorer things. Can't really find anything suspicious in the list so I don't know about this.

Mine has been doing this too recently; and I hit "Control/Alt/Delete" to bring up the Task Manager to find out what was using up so much memory that I couldn't even type = the highest offender was Google; which seemed weird because although I was on the Chorrol site = I wasn't actually using anything Google related at the time. The secondary offender was "Overwolf," which my TeamSpeak was completely off at the time. So I have removed Overwolf (immediately) and checked Google for add-ons that might be running in the background = there weren't any. I ran a scan on my antivirus and did a maintenance on my PC (Internet Options/deleted Temp files/Defrag/ScanDisk/etc).

Haven't had the problem since, so I am thinking it was the Overwolf using the Google and causing it.

Also, it never hurts (I hope) to run anti-virus and maleware checks. Likely not the issue, but better safe than sorry.

Can't find anything related to google or Overwolf but AdBlockPlsEngine does increase its hogging although CPU usage still reads 00.

Looking at Performance where I have graphs I can see memory usage does increase slowly but somewhat steadily though I can't say why. It's currently at 2.11GB out of 3.87.

This is exactly what I did, and explained much better than I explained it,

On mine I found out it was the Overwolf causing it. Overwolf is something I added intentionally years ago; and worked fine until suddenly recently (for whatever reason). I don't know if one of their updates was messed up or if some malware attached itself to Overwolf; but removing it fixed the issue.

SubRosa got it, I believe. Memory leak, which appears to be related to adblock. Interesting, because I also use it, except with Firefox... Think I will duckgo Adblock + memory leak and see if anything is noted

One thing that I think can help things for me; I disabled Adblock for most things except youtube. Could have done it years ago since I only got Adblock because of youtube anyway

As reported elsewhere, I've been suffering from a Win10 Taskbar that can become only partially functional. I at first thought it might be a compatibility issue between Win10 and DaggerfallSetup.exe. I now have irrefutable proof that that is not the case. This led me to realize that the issue first appeared a day or two after being forced to updated to the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. An online search finds others with this same issue post Update. Several mention that they disabled Cortana, and that re-enabling it restored Taskbar functionality. I'm going to enable Cortana and hope for the best, much as I've rather not.

Woot woot woot, and woot in the bargain. My Firefox TabBar is now below the AddressBar, abutting the main view window!!!!!!!! I did this not by add-on or in-browser control option. Instead, a .css file can be created and placed in a certain Firefox sub-directory. That file gives instructions for the move. I only just did so, so can't comment on potential downsides, if any exist. Found out about all this via YouTube videos. Now if I could only find a way to create a .css file to end the likely successful attack on Net Neutrality...

Awesome that you got it fixed, Decrepit!

Well poot. End of the day yesterday I clicked on the windows icon at taskbar far left to begin the shutdown process. Nothing! Clicked on the speaker icon near taskbar far right to bring up the volume control. Nothing! At that point I had resort to the old "three finger salute" technique (ctrl-alt-del) - click the "shut down" button at that screen's lower left corner, wait for a message to top up telling me the computer is waiting on something, then click to ignore the wait and continue shutting down.

Yup, the taskbar issue I thought solved isn't. Now I've got the taskbar issue, Youtube audio/video sync problems, popping audio. My best guess remains that these flaws have something to do with the Win10 Fall Creators Update, since I'm all but 100% certain that all was well before then. Slightly complicating the issue is that Firefox updated to v57 around this same time. I can't see how FFv57 could screw up the Win10 Taskbar, but don't want to summarily dismiss that possibility. Too, another of us, who doesn't use Firefox, has mentioned sync and popping.

Well, I cannot access the imgur website at all. Not my own material nor bring up links of screenshots by other. Not even my own signature. I've had this problem for a few days now and find myself unable to support and comment on the imgur offerings of others - frustrating. This the essence of what I get:

'An error occurred during a connection to i.imgur.com. SSL peer cannot verify your certificate. Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_ALERT'

My browser is Firefox but the problem persists even if I use one of my alternate browsers. I use ESET and have briefly disabled its internet protection to troubleshoot but the results are unchanged.

Urk, sorry for the problem you are having! I don't think it is with Imgur (unlike the Photobucket issue); but maybe with a recent update from something? Because I haven't run my updates recently; and Imgur is working fine on this end.

Just checked. Logged into my imjur account and accessed images without issue. Latest version of Firefox (57.0.2, 64-bit).

I can bring pics up and even access my own (third) account. Still can't upload anything from my own puter though.


Any alternative out there?

Hmmm....I didn't try uploading while there. Found an Oblivion image I'd not yet uploaded. (I consider it somewhat sub par.) Revisited imjur. Uploaded with no issue. Was able to add a description and, as is evident, add it as a link here.

It is Decrepit's avatar!

Acadian- try typing the address as


http://imgur.com

(Instead of https)

There is apparently a known issue with security certificates and Firefox...

You might also try to force the certificate to reload, but I am not sure if the (rather involved) instructions will actually solve the problem.

Thanks, trey. Heh, when I do that the puter automatically adds the 's' back on to the end of http and gives me the same problem.

Urf... okay, if you want to try a couple of things...

Go into the Tools menu, then Help

Click Troubleshooting Information

At the top right, where is says "Give Firefox a tuneup" click Refresh Firefox

NOTE: This will remove your Add-ons and Customizations and restore Firefox to the default.

If that doesn't do it, there was an issue with a reports page we used at work and the fix was to look at SSL 2.0 and 3.0 under Security options. Only I don't have my notes here at the house and that was several Mozillas ago.... However, I will have a look and see if that still applies and might work.

Problem fixed.

Thanks, trey. I tried to follow those steps but the presentation / cues I had were different than you described. It did, however, get me digging into Firefox help. Since the prob persisted with other browsers I was not surprised that Firefox suspected ESET as the problem and forwarded me to ESET's page on how to troubleshoot. Followed ESET's instructions regarding SSL stuffs and that fixed the problem. Don't understand it but imgur works fine and ESET still says it is happy with my security settings.

Man, these YouTube audio/video sync problems are annoying! I just checked Brave Browser. No difference. Might be a YouTube issue? Or something to do with Win10 Fall Creators Update? I don't recall faulty sync prior to the Update, but that doesn't necessarily prove anything.

I don't have any sync problems with Youtube so I don't think it's them

No new PC issue today (so far as I know). But I did update my motherboard BIOS from F6 to F9a, which supposedly fixes a vulnerability. I'm always paranoid of a possible freak power outage during BIOS updates, even though my mobo has a backup BIOS that will in theory recover from "most" disasters.
<nods> I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the Win10 Fall Creators Update either directly or indirectly.

Whoa... I'm glad a build my "new" PC when I did. The G.Skill DD4 3000 CAT15 16gb kit I paid circa $115 for mid year and sales for $194 at NewEgg, and around $225 at the only other vendor PCPartPicker shows carrying it!!!!! There was a time I would have expected to build with 32gb of ram, for about what I paid for 16gb. Those days are apparently long over.

To be fair, there are DDR 16gb kits appreciably cheaper that what mine now go for, but they are usually slower.

Khajiit is having a problem. It’s not really a big deal, just annoying, but something is causing the “Open With” program to start up every time this one starts windows. Any body know what I can do to find out what is causing this?

Weird. So that box of choices comes up everytime Khajiit tries to open up any program?

Bang the mouse repeatedly on your desk.

No it’s only at Windows startup (you know right after you boot up your computer), which is why it’s only a minor annoyance.

Sounds like a program is trying to load on startup. Try a clean boot and see if the issue goes away.

If that fixes it, figure out what programs are in your startup folder and eliminate any that might be causing the pop up box.

Thanks for this. Khajiit will try it out when he gets home.

*UPDATE*
So after doing the Clean Boot, Khajiit has discovered that there is only 1 program showing in his startup folder. Should this one just remove this program from the Startup folder? He can access it from its own folder.

I think you should restore your computer back to a date before it started doing this; but I'm no expert. It is just what I would do if it was my pc.

Yeah, thought about doing that too. Last Restore point was only the 14th so that wouldn’t be too bad.

Isn't that about when this started though? (one week?). Might better go back to the one before that if you can.

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Oops, it was just yesterday when you started talking about it. I thought it had been longer than that. How long was it doing this before you wrote it on here?

It’s been doing it maybe a few days. So it may be better to go further back. Khajiit didn’t notice it until after he installed Discord.