That cooking station is awful. I SO wish they would use those clay ovens like the Inn in Belkarth has!

Made big progress with the kitchen today, really pleased with the way it's going.

Lowered a section of the ceiling so I can hang up some stuff (beet string, snakes on a rope etc.) and made a little storage area in the process - looks like a nice little pantry area. Also got some stone blocks in and made a cooking area, raising the khajiit firepit off the ground so it looks like something people would actually use now.


Had a minor issue when I realised I'd been decorating as Cirinwe, and what she considers an 'appropriate height' for objects is about a foot higher than anyone else can reach. Whoops.

Though I'm still missing a few pieces I feel like I'm ready to start furnishing the individual houses in preparation for the Squad finally moving out of the crafting house (it'll only happen after I finish the IC stations. So soonish)

I did an okay job with Ruben's Rosy Lion Room, though he still has 3 slots to fill in. Since he lives in an inn, he doesn't really need much in there so idk. Now that I have a bit of confidence (and a lot of options) I feel like I can get started on the medium houses.

...but as I started work on Ravenhurst I realized I'm out of Heartwood and the most generous listing I've seen is @200g each. Welp, I guess I'll just die. :V

I spent at least an hour redecorating Strident Springs Demense (again) and decided that I would stick to Breton-style furnishings to try and capture the Imperial look. Because Imperial furniture is just Breton in a darker color and with slightly different knotwork. Will the Cultural Appropriation end?

I ended up using all the Heartwood I'd harvested but at least the downstairs actually looks lived in. I just need a few more touches, figure out what to do with the corner near the stairs, and the second half of the outer hallway of the second floor and I'm done. For now.

I'm waiting on getting the Khajiit Vacation Tent before I start decorating the exterior. I'll probably make due with the other Tents if I have to, but I wonder if it'll cause the same problem with the crafting stations becoming unusuable until placed again. I know for sure the Imperial City stations are all going in the tower, though.

That aside, I sort of questioned why the first floor is mostly Breton instead of the blend I wanted earlier, and I decided it's Eolan establishing his dominance as the sole parental unit of the household. The Hearth is his. And his first mandate is that if one is to drink tea, it'll be done like civilized folk. Even if he has to knock that wooden mug out of Hates' hands.

Yes, very civilized! Lol

He cares a lot about proper table manners and eating etiquette, tyvm

Khajiit bets he does Victorian Era style pugilistic fisticuffs too!

- And you are right about the Breton vs Imperial furniture - I noticed that too.

If only it were possible :T

Anyways, complaint of the day is why give you bare bookshelves to fill with useable lore books if you can't read the books after you put them in? At least, the Khajiit ones do that. Guess I'll just fill them with dummy bookstacks and rows for now.

That's poopy. Khajiit never asked, but do trunks and what not allow you to put stuff in them?

Any interactable object (books, lights etc.) becomes unusable if it's within another item's hitbox. Same thing happens to some objects in windowsills. The Inn rooms are a good example - put something too close to the window and you can even pick it up again. I put a Dark Brotherhood skull light in Tsarakiri's room the other day but it can't be used unless it floats a few inches away from the wall.

And don't forget to mention that those readable books we can buy with gold are larger than the given shelf area in most of those bookshelves = don't fit the shelves properly for placement.

BOLD: And Surprise! You can only get those neat placeable stacks of books via the Crown Store, unless I'm mistaken about that! I haven't found them for sale or the plans to craft those stacks anywhere.








Only if they are open. I got the recipe for open baskets instead of closed, so I can place items in them. Open shelved dressers are better to get than closed dressers if you want to place items there. But if you mean storage, the answer is a flat no.

Yeah, there are a ton of issues with the objects' hitboxes, particularly the canopy beds sans the Dunmer one. It's a lot more glaring for the bookshelves for the reason I mentioned. Luckily I bought a ton of dummy bookrows to fill them in, and Jo'zira's the type of person to leave books everywhere anyways.

On the subject, the interior of Sleek Creek House is nearly finished. Just need an enchanting station and maybe some curtains. Next is the exterior, which consists of a "kitchen" and a clothier workshop. The workshop's probably going to be a while, since all I could think of using aside from the clothier station is the basket of cloth and maybe some tables.

I turned Moonmirth into a spare furniture storage shed, Humblemud into a pretend treasure hoard for Hates, and Captain Margaux's house...is an actual house. idk, no one actually lives there, but I've been thinking of moving Ruben to it just so he could be closer to the bank and most of the crating stations. The starting towns have the worst layout in this regard tbh, Daggerfall being the absolute worst. Go from one end of the city to the other just for writs.

Next project, aside from furnishing the beast that is Strident Springs, is filling out the Ample Domicile with furniture. I regret not buying some of the freakier plants for Hates alchemy garden. although figuring out where that will go will also be a challenge

Grrrr, how did you get that ton of dummy books!!!! *mALX stomps back and forth in front of 10 empty book shelves*

Warrior Barbie Dreamhouse nails it. I’ve swung between delight at having spaces to decorate and annoyance over the tedious process to fill them. It seems that materials are dropping a little more frequently now, or maybe I’m just hopeful.

Jerric bought the Cyrodiil Jungle House and declared it The Love Shack. It has art on the walls, wine, a pile of furs in front of the fire, and comfortable accommodations for the horses. He seems to be satisfied. I guess it’s up to Elke and Pog to decorate the Elinhir house with actual furniture.

Oh my. Jerric's Love Shack has everything needed, it seems, for attracting wood elves. . . .

Bwaahaa! Sounds like a bachelor pad to me, lol.

Definitelly sounds like a love shack, but love for whom is still up in the air. Self-care is lusting over a perfect, virtual house.

Thinking too hard about houses and pets made me realize that none of them have doors separating the rooms...

Lol, one reason Khajiit likes Mira's Ebony Flask Room; it's simple! The other reason is that it was free!

I wanted to give Eolan a nice, well-stocked kitchen in Ravenhurst for provisioning but remembered that he has 2 demons cats in his home that is basically one huge, open box. A cat's jumping powers are too strong, leaving his stores of food left out in the open defenseless.

Darnand’s Ravenhurst is presently furnished mostly with cats. I’m considering closing in the space under the stairs for a pantry. Hopefully his magical experiments are noxious enough to keep them off his work tables.

Accommodating pets is a housing priority. Food bowls and water bowls were the first things Jerric put in his room at the Flask. Pog made a bed for his daedrat before he made his own. And at The Love Shack, Jerric put the dog outside.

Buffy has a house pixe (nyxad) to look after Snugpod - air it out on nice days, dust & clean, keep the fires lit, etc.

Wanting to keep the dog and cat separated while you are away so it doesn't become a "Sylvester and Tweety" fiasco in your absence?

Me too, honestly. Mostly for Eolan's plentiful stores of meat and fish. Cured until I find the gold-level hanging game that may or may not exist. I figure the cats wouldn't be too interested in the baskets and crates of fruit and vegetables and I like where i have them now so those are exempt. :U (Although I did plan on building it near the fire place where they are placed. Assuming I find the right pieces, but since no door exist...)
Though I guess so long as the kitties are happy and well-fed, no extra snacking will happen. Maybe. One of them does seem unusually drawn to sweets for an obligate carnivore.

This all started because I was unwilling to put a poison cabinet next to the Guar. Who would most likely eat it all and die.

So today I went a-peeping at the houses of people on my friends list (mostly made up of people I used to run Dungeons and other group content with that haven't unfriended me and are still active so I haven't unfriended them) and it's honestly one of the better ideas I've had.

I've also realized how much I've been ignoring the exterior of my houses and how great some of the achievement furniture is. I sort of want to get a subscription just so I can decorate my houses better.

Anyways, SSD looks less dead and I'm starting to slowly fill it with Khajiit and Argonian stuff to balance out the Breton parts and fill in some of the "empty" spots. I'm at 20 slots open now. Yeesh, time to start removing plants.

Yeah some of the achievement stuff is great. I have a big list of stuff that I liked the look of, and their prices, in my notebook for quick reference.

It can get a little upsetting sometimes, though. I'd really like to have that coin pile you get for the Black Market Mogul achievement, but Hates isnt' anywhere near getting it. I think the Abah's Landing pile might be bigger so I'll probably just use that.

Anyways, maybe it's because it looks passable now, but I don't have that great of an urge to decorate Strident Springs anymore. I might change up the furniture but pretty much everything seems to be in its place now. I'll have to find something better to serve as Eolan's nap couch, though. Both the Khajiit and Redguard couches look uncomfortable to lie in for an extended period. Any other furniture added will most likely just be things like clutter or the little hangout near the waterfall. (and a canopy for the woodworking stations)

Dunno if I'm going to make use of the spots in the back. Might make a second area for crafting stations if I ever get any more (most likely the Guild sets). But I only have like 15 spots open. Hm.

In other houses, Eolan's also looking fine, though I wish I could spice up his forge a little. I'm waiting on some kind of placeable forge to come from either the luxury vendor or even the crown store if I have to. In Strident Springs I'm using an Orcish brazier to hold its place. Might do the same there.

Though I said the interior was now good, I'm thinking of making Jo's a lot more ~magical~. So far I have a sigil stone floating in front of a bookcase and a massive black soul gem nearby. Needs more shiny things. I also learned that using shelves other than Khajiit or Nord make for interesting bookcases by laying a single book flat in one shelf to make it readable.

As for Hates, I don't think she'll spend too much time in the Ample Domicile, preferring Humblemud, so I haven't done much work on the former. I was thinking of making it mostly a carpenter workshop/alchemy lab, but now I'm thinking of moving the woodworking stuff outside again. I finally found something that would work as a wood rack (Orcish Shelves, Storage) and I think it'll take up too much space.

I'll have to take screenshots once I'm happy with the look cause the Squad's individual houses can't be visited. :V

Agree with you on those couches not looking very comfortable. The only really comfy looking couch is that Redguard really cushiony one (with the matching tuffet) that you can't sit on. (grrrrr!) I have written them several requests for that puffy looking couch to be sit-able, but so far no response. The day they make it usable, I will change out all my couches for that one in a heartbeat.

I know which one you mean. I was thinking of using two or more to make a little comfy area in the corner. I was actually going to use it in the place of the other couches before I realized you can't sit on them at all. :T

At least you can sorta sleep on them.

(copied from the accidental post in the guild thread)

Thanks to Misa, Hates got a poison cabinet for her alchemy lab in Strident Springs a lot earlier than she thought and it was discovered that both the cabinet and the nearby shelf are too high for her to reach. She got a stool so she doesn't have to call on Jo all the time.

I also added a few things to Sleek Creek, mostly some curtains and a little dining area in the exterior. Tried to make the clothier workshop a little more presentable, too. Only part I don't really know what to do with is the porch. From above it looks like it's collapsing, but the lower area of the structure looks fine? Either way, I would avoid the corner near the pool. I set down a tea table and a sofa near the door. All that's left is magical trinkets for Jo's enchanting lab.

Quick question: am I able to rebind the key that handles the Housing Editor? Because my F5 key does something completely different and it will not go into the Housing Editor.

Khajiit was looking at the bindings the other day and there was one for housing editor. Haven't messed with it though, as we use a XB360 controller.

It is defaulted at F5 on my game (keyboard, no controller). So (Rader) - if you use the controller = could offset some default bindings.

lmao whoops post incoming

Anyways I don't think I ever showed off the Squad's individual houses so eh, here's what we got so far. (Yeah, I used the furnished versions as a base, though I bought them unfurnished with gold)

Ample Domicile - Hates-White-Rats

The Entrance!
The Riding Guar in their stable. (I can't even remember the name she gave it.)
Basking Pond, Fish Not Included
Somewhat Bare Woodworking Hut
And a Quiet Worktable
The Food Room, on the right of the house.
The Alchemy Laboratory, on the left across from it.
A lovely poison cabinet next to some less volatile substances.
The bed room, between them at the end of the house.
Itzli


Ravenhurst - Eolan

Ground Floor
Nap Couch
Dinner Table
Chef's Kitchen
Behind the Counter
Pantry (the cats will sometimes get into it)
Food Bowls
Litter Box
Indoor Armory (needs more things aside from the hammer, imo)
Babies (Left to right: Sugarfiend and Winceslaus; please don't give a ball of yarn to a cat irl)
Bed
Desk
Outdoor Kitchen (Because there are no indoor provisioning stations :v)
Training Area/Garden (for when he can't go to the mountains, there were more rocks and a hammer earlier, gotta figure this area out; also yeah I've taken this before but the lighting was better and also you can actually see his emote)
Forge (""forge"" Needs the most work.)


Sleek Creek House - Jo'zira
Tibbins is supposed to sleep here, but he doesn't.
This is an eating station, I think. For when friends come over!
This thing!
My Workstation. For armor and clothes and sometimes other things.
The tea area.
GREASE (I...completely forgot that I didn't actually take this screenshot and I had to log back in to get it. It was no longer sunny lmao)
My OTHER workstation. For glyphs and sometimes other things.
Gems.
These things.
Desk
My bed. Tibbins uses it because I don't sleep. But sometimes I do.
A nice reading couch. Very comfy.
More books! They're everywhere because it's hard to read them from the shelves.

(I think as far as Jo'zira's concerned, he only needs a bit of clutter in the exterior and he's all set)

I am totally floored by how you were able to get stuff into the shelves that wy! Awesome decorating on all the houses!!!!

*Sigh* Khajiit wishes they would release a raven non-com pet. This one would love a raven to just sit around Autumn’s Gate.

Nice work on the houses Monkey!

Great work, Monkey! It is such fun seeing what folks do with the houses. I love Jo's shinies and that he has a tea area.


Here's Buffy at her writing desk in Snugpod. As you can see, everything is too big for her. . . but she is used to that.

I forget those nicely framed Vvardenfell paintings exist. Fits nicely, tbh.

Anyways, I just remembered that the reason I never really went all in with clutter is because i wasn't sure if I would have enough space left over for other things I wanted in the houses. I think now that I pretty much have what I wanted I can just...finish things up? idk (It's why I really like how the interior of Jo'zira's house turned out. It looks lived-in, with all the books and the papers and the knick-knacks thrown around everywhere)

I agree on the Telvanni furnishings. They just seems so very . . . Bosmer.

Not sure the Telvanni would appreciate that appraisal. Or they wouldn’t care. One of the two, Khajiit is sure.

Am I right in thinking that housing is designed to be an end-game sink for gold and mats?

The skill levels for the most basic stuff seems disproportionate, and the number of style and refinement materials seems like they want to use up the huge stocks left over from crafting equipment, once you're done with that. If you have to buy materials for furnishing, you're better off getting the complete item instead.

Between my crew, they can manage a stool, a bedroll, a chair, a basic mug, a backpack, and a wooden bowl. There may also be a few dummy food items, but since we can't make plates, nor a table to put them on, they're for "later".

My intent was to get homes for the crew as we reached the zones they'd feel at home in. Build furnishings as we got the required skills, and place them in the matching homes according to style (no dead-wooden things in Snugpod). I looked at our stocks of regulus, heartwood, clean pelts, etc. and thought the plan sound.

But equipment crafting uses up style, and refinement materials fairly rapidly, and there's no pool building up of those. If my crafter reserve their own style material for furnishings, and make equipment only with other races' that helps a bit, but only when a costume makes style a non-issue.

The crafting skill requirements seem stupidly high, too. The lowest I found for a proper bed (i.e. raised off the floor) is the High Elf one, requiring Woodworking level three - Beech level. You'd typically have almost completed your third zone before you could put a bed in the home in zone one or two. Since furnishings use multiple skills, a crafter would spend a lot of points before making anything useful. Wood elves have to wait until a crafting level of six before they get off the floor!

Stonefalls has a low level Dwemer ruin in it (that is conveniently right on a materials path for gathering up anything you might need for any type of crafting, including furnishings) = called the "Inner Sea Armiture." Any Dwemer ruin will do, but this one is particularly productive to farm for style materials, rare motifs, recipes, furniture plans, and lockpicks.

It will keep you up in all the style materials you need for most crafting; but sometimes for crafting furniture you might still need to buy the style mats from the Vendor at any Smithy (15 gold per each) because most pieces of furniture take 15 style stones each to craft.

It isn't exactly that the furniture crafting is made for end game; it is that it is made for real Crafters; players who really enjoy farming up the materials they need and hand crafting anything they want to have. It takes learning recipes/plans/motifs/etc. It takes digging in dungeons for the materials; and it takes leveling up all your crafting skills to make furniture.

The better furniture does require higher learning in certain crafting skills (example: a certain high level piece might require the crafter have at least level 4 in Blacksmithing AND at least level 6 in Clothier, etc).

I actually love that they didn't make it so just anyone can jump in and start doing it at the highest levels without effort = it is the first thing this game has offered that really rewards the people who have taken the time to develop a full crafting character instead of just a combat or PvP Player.

It isn't for everyone, but from what I know of you through the years, you will end up being excellent at it in a lot less time than it took most of us to reach (if you want to do it) - and I get the feeling it will be right up your alley once you get going a little further in it.

Our Guild Bank has tons of furniture crafting plans just waiting for someone to grab them; and if you want to know what something looks like you can usually Google it and Tamriel Fashion (or someone) probably has a picture of it.

I think my main gripe is that the items you can build at low levels are just too few. I agree that better items should be at higher levels, but at least let me get started! I can make a bedroll, a stool, something to drink out of - but I can't make any level of table to put down the drink! The least requirement I found for a table was Woodworking 3. The game needs a basic set of crude furnishings at level 1 to go with the bedroll, stool etc. I couldn't even find a low-level platform to raise the bedroll off the ground. The white-level "Rough Platform, Stage" also requires Woodworking 3.

And then I have to find or buy the plan for the item. The vendors have a few (like the bedroll) but you can't get a minimum (think student dorm furnishings) that way. RNG stuff then comes in, making you grind to get off the ground.

I never knew what the levels required were because Misa was already crafting at the highest level when Housing was released last year. (but knew there were some cross/skill requirements).

The Vendors have the least as far as Plans go; better to try looking in backpacks, dressers, nightstands, crates, barrels, etc. I usually get 5 furniture plans every day minimum by just looting every non-stealing container I see.

Dwemer urns are a great place to find them; so are those Wood Elf urns you find in their outside camp-type areas in Grahtwood. (while you are out Skyshard hunting; leave no container unchecked, lol)

The best place to buy Plans if you want to buy them is the Guild Trader kiosks; not Vendors. Unlike the Vendors; the Guild Traders are in competition with each other, meaning they can and do have price wars. Their Plans are MUCH cheaper than the Vendor's; they have some real plans (not the base white ones); and you can look the Plans over before buying to see what the requirements are.

** Elden Root in Grahtwood; Wayrest in Stormhaven; Mournhold in Deshaan; Rawl'Kha in Reapers March; or Skywatch in Auridon are all places where bidding wars keep the prices lower than you might find somewhere else. Also = if you are out in the middle of nowhere and find a Guild Trader; they HAVE to price low to get people to even come to them, so always check them for good buys, too.

That's probably why it happened that way. It was designed for people who'd already been playing for quite some time, and they ignored those just starting.

I wouldn't say that they ignored those just starting, I think they wanted to give you ANOTHER reason to level up all your crafting.

When I started, in Aug '16, my original plan was to build one toon (Julian) for consumables and another (Maz) for equipment. I refined it further to have one toon for provisioning/enchanting (Julian), one toon for blacksmithing (Maz), one for woodworking/clothing (Alise) and one toon for alchemy (Argis), to better fit their RP purposes.

Then housing dropped, we became addicted to virtual real estate and decorating, and next thing I knew, Maz became our all purpose crafter - she gets first dibs on new plans and motifs (for Master Writs). Alise is our secondary, while Julian remains our Master Provisioner and Argis is still our Master Alchemist.

Now I have two more toons (Phae and Do Rah), but neither of them are interested in crafting, and so are still on Level 1.

I can imagine it's discouraging in the beginning to get started on crafting, and especially with a system like Housing; but I've always bought style materials for my six races from the vendors when I"m low (they're cheap), new plans and motifs from the Guild vendors (sometimes Maz will take a chunk of change out of the bank and go shopping for new stuff at the lowest prices she can find), and I do writs to keep the surveys coming.

Recently it feels like drops are getting scarcer, and I'm running out of items I never lacked before. It's frustrating when we're trying to fill new homes . . .

Now that Darnand has Ravenhurst, I think I'll redecorate his Rosy Lion room as student housing. Use only the basic things that can be bought or crafted at level 3 or below. And of course an opulent painting or two plus a stack of Dwarven gears, because those things turn up in the oddest places.

Pog started buying mats and plans, and now he is finally having some fun with housing. It was very frustrating to use just what the crew found.

It's nice when you finally have a bit of gold accumulated to buy patterns and plans and (in Maz's case) motifs.

Then we see another house we really like, and it's back to saving, not spending.