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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050526/od_nm/.../toiletpaper_dc

lol, what do you think about it?

[quote=Channler]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050526/od_nm/toiletpaper_dc

lol, what do you think about it?[/quote]
Odd thing to debate. Nothing wrong with thinking ahead, though they're not particularly thinking of others.

Supermarkets and toilet-paper sellers should raise the price of toilet-paper for all those who buy in bulk. A bit of price discrimination could be funny.

[quote=Hammergand]
Odd thing to debate. Nothing wrong with thinking ahead, though they're not particularly thinking of others.

Supermarkets and toilet-paper sellers should raise the price of toilet-paper for all those who buy in bulk. A bit of price discrimination could be funny.[/quote]

well it was kinda odd and I wanted to see what some people would think about it...

Good gosh, people nowadays. But its just like when we have a hurricane here. My family buys one of those 36(?) roll toilet paper pachages a month and were good, but during a hurricane (which even with its after effects) that lasted a month people were buying 3-4 of those huge toliet paper packages. lol and they were like family's of two or three, I got 5 in mine..

lol another thing, milk.. Why would you buy milk when its 80-90 degrees average outside and a hurricane is gonna knock out your power for a week? They buy it by the truckloads...

[quote=Channler]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050526/od_nm/toiletpaper_dc

lol, what do you think about it?[/quote]

Funny.

that's just weird

Ok this topic is kinda random but I want to know what you all think about it...

Thoughts about NAFTA (North America Free Trade Agreement)

I have no opinion about it because i have no idea what it is

[quote=LoneWolf]I have no opinion about it because i have no idea what it is [/quote]

Google it!! Do you live in North America?

no. I live in Ireland. As is shown by my location thing

heh, I knew that!

But still, google it!

nah. Not really that bothered lol
How bout we try and stick to worldwide topics that everyone would/could have an interest in? non-americans aren't really gonna be interested in NAFTA very much

It has to do with Canadians and Mexicans too..

I'm not to sure about world events, lets see how this one is taken first and then we'll try a world event..

NAFTA should be completely disbanded. Free Trade is simply an excuse for corporations to exploit people in other countries. here arw a couple stories.

In one of the central american countries (I'm spacing) the government's budget was running very thin, and they didn't know what to do. A corporation from San Fransisco offered to buy their water system so they wouldn't have to pay for that utility. This corporation privatized water and tripled its price. People could not afford water. What did they do? Massive revolts. They ended up breaking into the water storage and seizing compelte control over their irrigation systems so they handed out water to people. San Fransisco company brought it infront of NAFTA, trying to sue the country's government for the money they would have made. They lost, luckily.

A corporation in Canada invented a type of chemical you put in your gasoline that is supposed to make it run cleaner. It doesn't, it produced less smog but damages the water systems, plant life, and the entire ecosystem. California legislature banned the chemical from being used in California gasoline, so the corporation brought it in front of NAFTA trying to sue California for all the money they would have made. California lost, and now is stuck with tens of millions of dollars to pay because they didn't want a harmful chemical into their ecosystem. That's a less extreme form of trying to sell nuclear missiles to terrorists, and then when they get banned from selling them, they sue the country.

Bottom Line: We should support fair trade, equal wages, worth of the worker, socialistic ideals about the working class, and not these blood suckers who are exploiting them.

I totaly agree with you DoomedOne, not only does it do those thing you've mentioned but it also allows company's to move out of the US to mexico, take advantage over them, and return sell it to the US. Which I actually hurts it more because of the lack of jobs...

Those company's were doing fine here in America, do they really need more money?

they also get out of paying taxes by having all their crap done in other countries.

[quote=DoomedOne]If you want to argue about it you can ressurect the parliament and I'll be happy to rebuke that there. For initiative's sake, I think regarding how something looks when it's more dangerous to not only the driver and other drivers, and pedestrians but also the environment is very self absorbed.[/quote]

Damn doomed, that sounds kinda like a conservative with there head in the enviroment right there....

I don't want something to just look nice, to me it has to serve a purpose. Also, I have never associated myself with any political spectrum. If you ask my friends they will assure you I'm a total hippy though. Anyway, something is fine to look nice, but in my opinion aesthetics comes from usefulness. I find the ecosystem, and the natural, unpaved environment to be the most useful thing we have. Like wise it is the most beautiful. I find art to be an attempt for a human to recreat the beauty of many useful things.

So, in my opinion not only are SUVs ugly, but they are gas guzzeling, useless, and harmful to people and the environment. You want your family to be safe then drive a volvo. I know a girl who drives a humvee (I like to call them re-formatted chevy tahoes, because they are) and her excuse is that her doberman needs room to play. My next question to her was where she kept her Barret .50 calibre.

It takes an extremely self absorbed personality to buy into an SUV. They like the feeling of commanding power, and since they obviously are too insecure to do so in real life they chose to hide behind a Ford Annihilator or whatever design they have out now.

What really makes me laugh if the suburban SUV. At least with others you can think, "Well maybe they dream of going off road." A suburban SUV is basically three times as expensive, twice and dangerous and twice as environmentally harmful as a minivan. Aside from that there is no difference.

Well then that girl was just an idiot, who would pay 60k for their dog to ply around, to me thats being to enviro freindly...

I would buy one because it looks nice, I don't think it would make me "powerful" or whatever you said. Your steroetyping, just because someone likes something doesn't mean there trying to make up for something else!

lol, that saying the rich are rich not because thats how they want to be but because they don't want to look poor...

[quote=Channler]Well then that girl was just an idiot, who would pay 60k for their dog to ply around, to me thats being to enviro freindly...

I would buy one because it looks nice, I don't think it would make me "powerful" or whatever you said. Your steroetyping, just because someone likes something doesn't mean there trying to make up for something else!

lol, that saying the rich are rich not because thats how they want to be but because they don't want to look poor...[/quote]

Because it looks nice is the worst excuse I've heard.

Form = function

Form is function

I think they look ugly as sin, but that's because I see their function completely differently.

And no, that's not a very good analogy. Rich people does not mean someone is trying to make up for something. They're rich, what do they have to make up for? personally, I think only insecure people would drive such an ugly, gas-guzzling rig.

You are calling me insecure then? I like them, to me they look cool, and oh, is a HYBRID SUV!?! (GASP) A horrible gas guzzler!?!

[quote=Channler]You are calling me insecure then? I like them, to me they look cool, and oh, is a HYBRID SUV!?! (GASP) A horrible gas guzzler!?![/quote]Calm. [quote=DoomedOne]Because it looks nice is the worst excuse I've heard.

Form = function

Form is function

I think they look ugly as sin, but that's because I see their function completely differently.

And no, that's not a very good analogy. Rich people does not mean someone is trying to make up for something. They're rich, what do they have to make up for? personally, I think only insecure people would drive such an ugly, gas-guzzling rig.[/quote]DoomedOne, you may look at things that way, but do others? They may simply find these things cool (I have no idea what car you are talking about) because of what they define as cool or whatever. Don't assume these things, there are many viewpoints, and none of them are wrong or right. They are simply viewpoints.

[quote=LoneWolf]I have no opinion about it because i have no idea what it is [/quote]

Ditto

What exactly is an SUV? I'm assuming it's one of those big ugly american cars with no functionality and an engine the size of my house.

Yeah i'm pretty sure that's a fairly accurate description

See here in america we value something, we value having the ability to buy what car we want, and not worry about what other people say about it.

An SUV is a truck, with seating space.. You do know what a truck is right? A Lorrie?

Oozae. I understand that complete.y All these posts, they're my viewpoints. Never do I state, "and you should think this as well."

Also, Chumbaniya that's a perfect description. They have over-zealous horse power, one quarter the usefulness of the pick-up truck and (!!!) some of them can seat 7 adult passengers or something.

Also, if you trade in your family SUV or a hybrid one channler, then I won't say you're a gas guzzeler.

By they way Channler. Everyone in the world can buy whatever car they want. Some countries lay down reasonable restrictions on what kind of cars you can own, the same way we have reasonable restrictions on freedom (for isntance you can persue happiness, but not to the point where you harm other people.) Just a matter of time before we get the same restrictions on cars.

Well the day I start feeling oppressed is the day something bad happens in this country.. anyways

Can any of you fill me in on whats happening over in Europe right now with the EU and al?

With the what?

Um, I have a new topic

The Bush administration, over the nest few months, will be pushing for less restrictions oin pollution, deforestation, and many more. he has already pushed "healthy forest act" which is a new-speak act in which restrictions on deforestation were lessened, and a clean air act, in which pollution restrictions were lowered. That was in his first year of office, but it gets worse.

Partnered, I repeat, partnered, with several large corporations including ExxonMobile, the administration is setting

Absolutely no restrictions on logging in all 155 of the United States' natural forests. Animals like the gray wolf, red wolf, cheeta, grizzly and leopard could vanish from the United States.

Much fewer restrictions on plants that exhaust mercury into the air. Note that mercury is a toxin that does not leave the system. So let's take a look at our food chain. Heavy amounts of mercury enter out atmosphere, and the rain down into lakes and oceans. Plant life feeds off mercury rich soil, water life feeds off mercury rich water, then grazing animals consume the mercury so that it builds up within them. Not, it would not be a lethal amount. They could not consume enough mercury to harm them. However, they are then hunted by predators. It builds up in the predators much for dangrously, because every ounce of mercury in every animals they ate builds up in them. The same is true of pesticides, and many other toxins.

Lovely.....

Seriously, what are people thinking when they pass these kinds of laws?

Really...

[quote=DoomedOne]Oozae. I understand that complete.y All these posts, they're my viewpoints. Never do I state, "and you should think this as well."

Also, Chumbaniya that's a perfect description. They have over-zealous horse power, one quarter the usefulness of the pick-up truck and (!!!) some of them can seat 7 adult passengers or something.

Also, if you trade in your family SUV or a hybrid one channler, then I won't say you're a gas guzzeler.

By they way Channler. Everyone in the world can buy whatever car they want. Some countries lay down reasonable restrictions on what kind of cars you can own, the same way we have reasonable restrictions on freedom (for isntance you can persue happiness, but not to the point where you harm other people.) Just a matter of time before we get the same restrictions on cars.[/quote]

I'm definitely all for reasonable restrictions on cars. Obviously Channler has a point about being free to buy what he wants, but only up to a point. I think there should be restrictions on cars that use up unreasonable amounts of fuel and cause large amounts of pollution.

The problem is, we've already seen that the American Government has no regard at all for the environment *cough* KYOTO TREATY *cough*.

[quote=Aki]Seriously, what are people thinking when they pass these kinds of laws? [/quote]

It's usually along the lines of "Mo money! Mo money!"

[quote=Aki]
Seriously, what are people thinking when they pass these kinds of laws?
[/quote]

The same thing protesters think when they start complaining about things, "This won't work but we'll do it anyway."

Watch this.

[quote=Sinder Velvin]Watch this.[/quote]

Do as the man says. Very moving.

wow.

That was pretty good. I can't say it gave me any more perspective than I had though.

i just thought it was really cool lol

[quote=Sinder Velvin]Watch this.[/quote]

Pretty acurate depiction on war. The enemy doesn't see you as the big heroes, they see you as the enemy. Plus, the invaders in the movies drive huge war machines that kill the o-zone, thus killing themselves in a race for supremacy.

Just another way of making people hate the decision to go to war.

well it's like that old saying jona, "You can do many things to slow to hasten truth, but you cannot destroy it."

I still wish to know what this "truth" is.

The people at that website would think diffrently if they came down here. Some of these people would kill you at a moments notice. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe in... If your not Muslim and you won't recognise Muhammed as the true savior then "you're marked on their list of dead men."

It makes me sad and angry at the same time when we are fighting over here for our country and all we ever hear about our home is that people there are constantly protesting and yeeling at us. Why?...

The word war and the word conflict are not synonimous, if that is what you are suggesting. Conflict can lead to war, and if one of the parties in a conflict is willing to throw reason to the dust, conflict will lead to war. Yes, its human nature for certain humans to give up reason, to commit violence, and more importantly to tell a bunch of other people to commit violence as well. However, war is not in my nature.

[quote=Sinder Velvin]Watch this.[/quote]

I hope you all are not implying that the US is 'red people'. And I KNOW your not talking about the the 'yellow people' being the Taliban or Saddam's armys.. If so where are the killing feilds?

Regaurdless though the slaughter of the yellow people was absolutly and horribly wrong, is it not also their own fault that they didn't protect themselves? Thats like me walking into the slums of my town, flashin all my stuff and having some dude mug or kill me. Was it my fault? No, Should it happen? No, Should I walk in the slums with all my bling-bling? No...

War will never end, I hate to tell you all that, but it is the only thing that is true in this world.

Horace
In peace, as a wise man, he should make suitable preparation for war.

I love that qoute. But i think it goes somthing like this...

"A wise man in times of peace, prepares for war."

The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.
Confucius

[quote=Sinder Velvin]Watch this.[/quote]

This is not WAR...it´s invasion.......invasion of a minor country by a superior one.! Like the soviet invasion of former Czechoslovakia, the yellow ones didn´t fight back......

I was young when the russians invaded Czechoslovakia, it caght me right in my belly at that time, I couldn´t believe it was actually happening....

I can´t accept such things.................... it makes me sad..

Yeah but look at history. Do you honestly think the yellow guys just let themselves all get killed? No, obviously they were enslaved, and over time there was constant rioting and terrorist attack by yellow because they had no other means to fight back.

why yes....it would be their way of defense.....in czechoslovakia it was a non-violent defense.....of couse they wouldn´t let themselves get killed ..at least not all of them.....I followed that czech-invasion

I wasn't alive around then lol
But i think the pacifisticness (i think i just invented a new word lol ) of the yellows is probably exaggerated