[quote=Channler][quote=DoomedOne]Okay guys first of all stop trying to impose thanatophobia on Oozae. He has an opinion I happen to agree with which is that death is not that big a deal. It feels like being suffocated until you fall unconscious, without the waking up part.[/quote]
..Fun right? What I meant was not that I was afraid of die'ing more so.. as I am afraid of die'ing without accomplishing anything
[quote=DoomedOne]Secondly, Jona I won't get into an anti-war thing, though I feell really, really strongly against war, but the war is over and now there a bunch of homeless, husbandless and fatherless families, and extremely angry "insurgents." You're threat is basically that enough get together to stick a bomb in a lamp as you pass by it. So, i can support you because now it's jsut about bringing order to chaos, despite who's fault the chaos really was.[/quote]
If you don't want to get into the hole anti-war thing why'd you bring it up?.. Now I got to say something..
A bunch of homeless, husbandless and fatherless family's? Yes, unfortionatly there are people killed in a war... But they did die for you freedom, and not only did they die they should of realized when they signed up for the armed forces that there could be a chance that there would be a war.. that they would have to come into action. Compare this to the Korean, Veitnam, or WW2.. (I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this) I think the last figure I saw for american deaths in the war was 2,500? Compare that to 30000 in WW2. For a chance at freedom what would you choose?
[quote=DoomedOne]Lastly, that viedo of the fat kid was freaking awesome.[/quote]
Yes it was friggin funny![/quote]
As I said, I didn't want to bring this up, safe to say that I was supporting him because the war is over, and now it's just a compassion-hole of a country that needs to be rebuilt, I stayed CLEAR away from anti-war while still giving my support.
But want to talk about war? I can't stand war. I find it to be the epitome of hypocracy and the side-effect of ignorance, ignorance and NOTHING more. Maybe growing up with a dad with PDSS, a Grandfather who as a POW in WWII and was the lucky survivor of a prison escape when the rest of them were eaten by rotweilers, with one of my best friends having PDSS from Iraq, and went from being an average skid with no direction in life to a drunk that gets into a different bar-fight every-night.
Would you like a couple figures? One third of our homeless are war-veterans. I've gotten conflicting facts of the suicide rate of war-veterans, but I know the children of Vietnam War veteran's are a third more likely to commit suicide.
Full Version: ~The little Coffee-Shop~
People die in war. Yall just need to get over it. It happens. There has never been a war where civialians have not died.
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.
[quote=jonajosa]People die in war. Yall just need to get over it. It happens. There has never been a war where civialians have not died.
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.[/quote]
Funny I heard a story about a lieutenant down there who, and he lost his best friend, killed by insurgents so he tried to order all his men to take all the women and children out of their home and hold guns to their heads until they told them where the insurgents were. None of his inferiors followed him and he was later court-martialed.
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.[/quote]
Funny I heard a story about a lieutenant down there who, and he lost his best friend, killed by insurgents so he tried to order all his men to take all the women and children out of their home and hold guns to their heads until they told them where the insurgents were. None of his inferiors followed him and he was later court-martialed.
as you can see "He tried" does not mean he did. And if the insurgents want to use civies to block the bullets being shot at them. Then its their fault for hiding behind them.
[quote=DoomedOne][quote=jonajosa]People die in war. Yall just need to get over it. It happens. There has never been a war where civialians have not died.
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.[/quote]
Funny I heard a story about a lieutenant down there who, and he lost his best friend, killed by insurgents so he tried to order all his men to take all the women and children out of their home and hold guns to their heads until they told them where the insurgents were. None of his inferiors followed him and he was later court-martialed.[/quote]
That proves we got some people that are crazy, yet everyone else is still moral and just.. not shooting women and children, and I applaud the men that disobeyed that order
Oh and BTW.. I've had a few friends come back from Iraq.. and the story's they told me almost made me cry.. One of the guys told me that he had to shoot a 9-10 year old boy because some jihadi strapped a bomb to him and told him to run at the Americans...
I'm glad that were working to stop that from happening, by building a free iraq
95% of civilian casualitys are caused by insurgents. Trust me our people arn't going out there and shooting civies for fun. Their too well trained to do that.[/quote]
Funny I heard a story about a lieutenant down there who, and he lost his best friend, killed by insurgents so he tried to order all his men to take all the women and children out of their home and hold guns to their heads until they told them where the insurgents were. None of his inferiors followed him and he was later court-martialed.[/quote]
That proves we got some people that are crazy, yet everyone else is still moral and just.. not shooting women and children, and I applaud the men that disobeyed that order
Oh and BTW.. I've had a few friends come back from Iraq.. and the story's they told me almost made me cry.. One of the guys told me that he had to shoot a 9-10 year old boy because some jihadi strapped a bomb to him and told him to run at the Americans...
I'm glad that were working to stop that from happening, by building a free iraq
[quote=DoomedOne]
Would you like a couple figures? One third of our homeless are war-veterans. I've gotten conflicting facts of the suicide rate of war-veterans, but I know the children of Vietnam War veteran's are a third more likely to commit suicide.[/quote]
Yes the Vietnam War.. We were so unprepared for that war and look what happened.. BTW That isn't the Iraqi War...
Would you like a couple figures? One third of our homeless are war-veterans. I've gotten conflicting facts of the suicide rate of war-veterans, but I know the children of Vietnam War veteran's are a third more likely to commit suicide.[/quote]
Yes the Vietnam War.. We were so unprepared for that war and look what happened.. BTW That isn't the Iraqi War...
[quote=Channler]I'm glad that were working to stop that from happening, by building a free iraq[/quote]
So am i. they have new hope now were their to help them along to becoming a free country.
One of my friends that was overe there in iraq told me the same story. The insurgents trapped a bomb to a mentaly disabled woman and told her that an american solier had somthing for here. She started to walk over towards them but a soldier saw here and shot her just before the bomb went off 5 sec later. Had they not shot her they would have all died forom the explosion.
The insurgents are getting more desprete now that they know they cant win.
So am i. they have new hope now were their to help them along to becoming a free country.
One of my friends that was overe there in iraq told me the same story. The insurgents trapped a bomb to a mentaly disabled woman and told her that an american solier had somthing for here. She started to walk over towards them but a soldier saw here and shot her just before the bomb went off 5 sec later. Had they not shot her they would have all died forom the explosion.
The insurgents are getting more desprete now that they know they cant win.
[quote=jonajosa][quote=Channler]I'm glad that were working to stop that from happening, by building a free iraq[/quote]
So am i. they have new hope now were their to help them along to becoming a free country.
One of my friends that was overe there in iraq told me the same story. The insurgents trapped a bomb to a mentaly disabled woman and told her that an american solier had somthing for here. She started to walk over towards them but a soldier saw here and shot her just before the bomb went off 5 sec later. Had they not shot her they would have all died forom the explosion.
The insurgents are getting more desprete now that they know they cant win.[/quote]
Why are people so cruel..? Wheres the honor in doing that? Nowhere! It makes me shake with anger to know that they would do such a thing.. and yet some people just sit back and say nothing.
It disgusts me
So am i. they have new hope now were their to help them along to becoming a free country.
One of my friends that was overe there in iraq told me the same story. The insurgents trapped a bomb to a mentaly disabled woman and told her that an american solier had somthing for here. She started to walk over towards them but a soldier saw here and shot her just before the bomb went off 5 sec later. Had they not shot her they would have all died forom the explosion.
The insurgents are getting more desprete now that they know they cant win.[/quote]
Why are people so cruel..? Wheres the honor in doing that? Nowhere! It makes me shake with anger to know that they would do such a thing.. and yet some people just sit back and say nothing.
It disgusts me
they dont think of honor when they do that stuff. All they want is to kill as many of us as they can before they themselves are killed. Its cruel but their religion tells them that people with disabilitys are worthless and can be sacraficed. They are worthless in th eyes of muhammed or so they say.
I pretty sure though that the Koran doesn't say anything about literally blowing yourself up and making your way to heaven..
I mean like even in the Christian bible sacrificing yourself for your God will grant you a crown in heaven (or something of that matter)
If islam is sorta-kinda-maybe-not-even-but-quite tied to christianity.. through abraham of course, rules could be similiar.. so why don't we see christian peoples blowing themselves up just to achieve martyrdom.. I know.. the muslims were bribed with those 1000 virgins...
I mean like even in the Christian bible sacrificing yourself for your God will grant you a crown in heaven (or something of that matter)
If islam is sorta-kinda-maybe-not-even-but-quite tied to christianity.. through abraham of course, rules could be similiar.. so why don't we see christian peoples blowing themselves up just to achieve martyrdom.. I know.. the muslims were bribed with those 1000 virgins...
The koran is very much against sacrificing yourself. More so than the bible by far. See, wherever you go, 99% of the people are good people, friendly, jsut want peace and freedom, and to get a long. Then there is a small group of people, and it's regardless of religion, and it's not that they were born that way, everything just happens to work out that way that they become violent radicals.
Here's the thing, the terrorists that bombed 9/11, that was retribution for something that happened in the 70s. See how it works? No matter what you do, it takes a toll, and the more violent your response, the more radicals you help breed 20 years in the future.
Oh, and about it being a free Iraq, that's relative, seeing as how they have abolosued all laws in Iraw except for the one preventing workers from forming unions, and you have a few soldiers that saw the rebuilding first hand and said it was totally fixed.
Want to know another fact? late 1800s, the entire US is there except alaska and hawaii. The biggest money train, imperialism, is a thing of the past, they already killed enough indians for their sea to shining sea, now they have no more easy acces to money. They went and furthered imperialism into the Phillipines, Hawaii, and basically the Pacific islands. But, calling it imperialism got so much protesting becuase people argued America was supposed to be against Imperialism, they started calling it liberation. Funny thing was, once they liberated the Phillipines from Spain, they actually thought they were being liberated.
It's relative.
Here's the thing, the terrorists that bombed 9/11, that was retribution for something that happened in the 70s. See how it works? No matter what you do, it takes a toll, and the more violent your response, the more radicals you help breed 20 years in the future.
Oh, and about it being a free Iraq, that's relative, seeing as how they have abolosued all laws in Iraw except for the one preventing workers from forming unions, and you have a few soldiers that saw the rebuilding first hand and said it was totally fixed.
Want to know another fact? late 1800s, the entire US is there except alaska and hawaii. The biggest money train, imperialism, is a thing of the past, they already killed enough indians for their sea to shining sea, now they have no more easy acces to money. They went and furthered imperialism into the Phillipines, Hawaii, and basically the Pacific islands. But, calling it imperialism got so much protesting becuase people argued America was supposed to be against Imperialism, they started calling it liberation. Funny thing was, once they liberated the Phillipines from Spain, they actually thought they were being liberated.
It's relative.
[quote=minque][quote=Channler][quote=minque][quote=Sinder Velvin][quote=minque]
The original song "Dragostea din tei" is romanian, by a group called O-zone.......itīs dangerous to listen to it , you never get it out of your head!.....
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No. No, it's not.
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Itīs not what? Isnīt it romanian? hmmm I surely was under the impression it is.....
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I thought they were italian? When I downloaded it fromnapster it had a italian and a english version
Oh and about the dangerous part... you very right Minque.. it wont leave my head.. :confused:[/quote]
hmm well i also downloaded it from O-zoneīs website and i am almost sure itīs romanian,,,, :confused: well letīs see what Sinder says....he would know...
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There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.
The original song "Dragostea din tei" is romanian, by a group called O-zone.......itīs dangerous to listen to it , you never get it out of your head!.....
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No. No, it's not.
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Itīs not what? Isnīt it romanian? hmmm I surely was under the impression it is.....
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I thought they were italian? When I downloaded it fromnapster it had a italian and a english version
Oh and about the dangerous part... you very right Minque.. it wont leave my head.. :confused:[/quote]
hmm well i also downloaded it from O-zoneīs website and i am almost sure itīs romanian,,,, :confused: well letīs see what Sinder says....he would know...
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There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.
Don't worry Sinder, most people around the world just refer to you as Eastern Europeans so don't really notice a difference.
[quote=jonajosa]Im going to Iraq because i want to serve me country in the best way i think possible. For some people laying their life on the line for others is the best thing they can do...[/quote]
Good luck. But what about your duty for TES F'Ruum?
[quote=DoomedOne]Don't worry Sinder, most people around the world just refer to you as Eastern Europeans so don't really notice a difference.[/quote]
There's a pretty big difference, but that's fair enough. After all, most people here don't notice the differences between Americans from different states.
Good luck. But what about your duty for TES F'Ruum?
[quote=DoomedOne]Don't worry Sinder, most people around the world just refer to you as Eastern Europeans so don't really notice a difference.[/quote]
There's a pretty big difference, but that's fair enough. After all, most people here don't notice the differences between Americans from different states.
[quote=Sinder Velvin]
There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.[/quote]
They are!!!!??? oh..then I must apologize to you Sinder...I know thereīs a difference between Moldavia and Romania....sure I know, but itīs hard to judge the differece in languages when you donīt speak neither of them :confused:
So itīs moldavian the language then if I understand you right? But doesnīt it resemble romanian a tiny bit after all?
There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.
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They are!!!!??? oh..then I must apologize to you Sinder...I know thereīs a difference between Moldavia and Romania....sure I know, but itīs hard to judge the differece in languages when you donīt speak neither of them :confused:
So itīs moldavian the language then if I understand you right? But doesnīt it resemble romanian a tiny bit after all?
[quote=minque][quote=Sinder Velvin]
There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.[/quote]
They are!!!!??? oh..then I must apologize to you Sinder...I know thereīs a difference between Moldavia and Romania....sure I know, but itīs hard to judge the differece in languages when you donīt speak neither of them :confused:
So itīs moldavian the language then if I understand you right? But doesnīt it resemble romanian a tiny bit after all?[/quote]
It's almost the same language, but they have many of their own words.
Still, O-Zone is from Moldavia.
There's a big difference between Romanian and Moldavian. O-Zone are Moldavian, from the Republic of Moldavia, a different country.
Still, I'm afraid that many people think that O-Zone are Romanian. Which ruins Romania's reputation.
[/quote]
They are!!!!??? oh..then I must apologize to you Sinder...I know thereīs a difference between Moldavia and Romania....sure I know, but itīs hard to judge the differece in languages when you donīt speak neither of them :confused:
So itīs moldavian the language then if I understand you right? But doesnīt it resemble romanian a tiny bit after all?
[/quote]
It's almost the same language, but they have many of their own words.
Still, O-Zone is from Moldavia.
[quote=Sinder Velvin]
There's a pretty big difference, but that's fair enough. After all, most people here don't notice the differences between Americans from different states.[/quote]there is no difference from what i have seen but then again i lived in the south all of my life and washington dc for about a week. all i can say is people are meaner in washington dc. and they walk on escalators
There's a pretty big difference, but that's fair enough. After all, most people here don't notice the differences between Americans from different states.[/quote]there is no difference from what i have seen but then again i lived in the south all of my life and washington dc for about a week. all i can say is people are meaner in washington dc. and they walk on escalators
That's because they believe their jobs to be so world-changinly important that if they let the escalator do it's job then all hell will break loose
Click
Its kinda funny, in a morbid kinda way.
But, really, how do you starve yourself that way.... :shocked:
Its kinda funny, in a morbid kinda way.
But, really, how do you starve yourself that way.... :shocked:
[quote=Sinder Velvin]Good luck. But what about your duty for TES F'Ruum?
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Im going submit myself to a six month coffee break. Other like Venom should be able to handle the other stuff.
As for doomedone... The things you mention are back in anicent times when all "save the world people :eek: " wen't in exsistance. Things have changed since the 1800s. I dont care about the info off of the the most liberal TV news(ABC news). All they do is lie. They wanted kerry, he lost. They need to get over it. You want real news??? Watch "The Point" with Mark Hyman.
Now please stop disrespecting the troops. Just because some poeple dont like the president does not mean they should constantly dissagree and insult his discisions.
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Im going submit myself to a six month coffee break.
Other like Venom should be able to handle the other stuff.
As for doomedone... The things you mention are back in anicent times when all "save the world people :eek: " wen't in exsistance. Things have changed since the 1800s. I dont care about the info off of the the most liberal TV news(ABC news). All they do is lie. They wanted kerry, he lost. They need to get over it. You want real news??? Watch "The Point" with Mark Hyman.
Now please stop disrespecting the troops. Just because some poeple dont like the president does not mean they should constantly dissagree and insult his discisions.
[quote=DoomedOne]The koran is very much against sacrificing yourself. More so than the bible by far. See, wherever you go, 99% of the people are good people, friendly, jsut want peace and freedom, and to get a long. Then there is a small group of people, and it's regardless of religion, and it's not that they were born that way, everything just happens to work out that way that they become violent radicals.
Here's the thing, the terrorists that bombed 9/11, that was retribution for something that happened in the 70s. See how it works? No matter what you do, it takes a toll, and the more violent your response, the more radicals you help breed 20 years in the future.
Oh, and about it being a free Iraq, that's relative, seeing as how they have abolosued all laws in Iraw except for the one preventing workers from forming unions, and you have a few soldiers that saw the rebuilding first hand and said it was totally fixed.
Want to know another fact? late 1800s, the entire US is there except alaska and hawaii. The biggest money train, imperialism, is a thing of the past, they already killed enough indians for their sea to shining sea, now they have no more easy acces to money. They went and furthered imperialism into the Phillipines, Hawaii, and basically the Pacific islands. But, calling it imperialism got so much protesting becuase people argued America was supposed to be against Imperialism, they started calling it liberation. Funny thing was, once they liberated the Phillipines from Spain, they actually thought they were being liberated.
It's relative.[/quote]
Imperialism turned into liberation?! What have you been smokin cause I want some.. is it some of that hippy weed?
Is the Phillipines not a free nation now? Yes I agree that we were once a imperialistic nation but now thats changed. Tell me in WWII when we LIBERATED France and Germany from Nazi rule did we keep it to ourselves?! No we gave it back. Not very imperialistic to me...
Now what if we were to just let the fledgling Iraqi democracy alone and we completely pull out? Terrorists will take control again and ruin everything that the US and her allies, not excluding the NUMEROUS Iraqi people that WANT democracy and chance at freedom, have strove these last few years to a country that was once a giant concentration camp.
Have you ever read Night by Elie Wiesel? (A very chilling account of Nazi WW2 concetration camps) I would imagin that alot of places in Iraq were this bad..
AKI: Oh my god.. how are people that stupid? I feel sorry for his family.. heh, at least they will be at peace
Here's the thing, the terrorists that bombed 9/11, that was retribution for something that happened in the 70s. See how it works? No matter what you do, it takes a toll, and the more violent your response, the more radicals you help breed 20 years in the future.
Oh, and about it being a free Iraq, that's relative, seeing as how they have abolosued all laws in Iraw except for the one preventing workers from forming unions, and you have a few soldiers that saw the rebuilding first hand and said it was totally fixed.
Want to know another fact? late 1800s, the entire US is there except alaska and hawaii. The biggest money train, imperialism, is a thing of the past, they already killed enough indians for their sea to shining sea, now they have no more easy acces to money. They went and furthered imperialism into the Phillipines, Hawaii, and basically the Pacific islands. But, calling it imperialism got so much protesting becuase people argued America was supposed to be against Imperialism, they started calling it liberation. Funny thing was, once they liberated the Phillipines from Spain, they actually thought they were being liberated.
It's relative.[/quote]
Imperialism turned into liberation?! What have you been smokin cause I want some.. is it some of that hippy weed?
Is the Phillipines not a free nation now? Yes I agree that we were once a imperialistic nation but now thats changed. Tell me in WWII when we LIBERATED France and Germany from Nazi rule did we keep it to ourselves?! No we gave it back. Not very imperialistic to me...
Now what if we were to just let the fledgling Iraqi democracy alone and we completely pull out? Terrorists will take control again and ruin everything that the US and her allies, not excluding the NUMEROUS Iraqi people that WANT democracy and chance at freedom, have strove these last few years to a country that was once a giant concentration camp.
Have you ever read Night by Elie Wiesel? (A very chilling account of Nazi WW2 concetration camps) I would imagin that alot of places in Iraq were this bad..
AKI: Oh my god.. how are people that stupid? I feel sorry for his family.. heh, at least they will be at peace
[quote=Aki]Click
Its kinda funny, in a morbid kinda way.
But, really, how do you starve yourself that way.... :shocked:[/quote]
That can't be real.
Its kinda funny, in a morbid kinda way.
But, really, how do you starve yourself that way.... :shocked:[/quote]
That can't be real.
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feel free to start a new thread even though I'm locking this one.
we do not have anything against discussing religion nor politics, but this thread isn't the place for it, feel free to start a different thread on that and pursue it further in that thread.
then on a side note, I'm readin a lot of nice things in here, and most of it chatter between friends, I'd also like to point out our chat channel for waiting4obluivion that you can use for just this purpose. chatting with friends and such
but for now, this is locked. please keep the wars and religiond and such limited to one thread, and not this one
edit:
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