You aren't supposed to think of that SubRosa!

I saw a werewolf perk tree in one of the videos as well. Don't know if my character will be a werewolf long enough to try any of those perks out or not.

Well, come to think of it, mushrooms would still grow in the sunless world. And the Falmer & Chaurus would be left of course. So I suppose the world would become the Falmer Empire, ruled over by a clan of Falmer Vampires.

Real world physics are different from Nirn, they do not apply where magic and dragons churn about. And actually, patching up the sun will basically remove a very large hole from mundus. Which is better than the dawnguard's option. Magnus's whistle will no longer allow as much aetherial magicka to seep into mundus, a bad thing to some, a better option for others. The streaming amount after such an event should be equal to what the ayleids harvested within their wells, smaller but still prevalent. For the stars will still be within the night's call, as they are smaller rips into aetherius. Giving those few mages left some source of power.

All life would definitely not be extinct. The aedra operate independently from Magnus's gate, the sun. Kynareth will still be around, Arkay will still be around, Akatosh will still be around, Dibella will still be around, Mara will still be around, Zenithar will still be around, Stendarr will still be around, Julianos will still be around. They support mundus, as long as they are still around, all will be alright. So the argument of 'no sun, no life' is as void as Sithis.

There is a good reason the vampires want to survive during the incoming apocalypse. I am quite confident they are aware of the circumstance of Aetherius and the cosmos of Magnus, thus putting their plans into motion to blot out the sun, their only greatest celestial enemy.

While my initial post was mostly in jest, the truth is I have seen nothing in TES that suggests that trees, grass, wheat, corn, and other plants do not require sunlight to grow. Nor have I seen anything to suggest that people do not need to eat food to survive. Come to think of it, I have not seen anything to make me believe that Nirnish plants do not create oxygen, and that animals do not require that to breathe. We need a spell to breathe underwater, so obviously we have to breathe something, and it must not be liquid, since we cannot breathe underwater naturally. Likewise, many other real world physics have not been chucked out the window either. Gravity still works. Things still get old. Other things get born. Fire burns. Rain falls, lightning cracks, etc... The truth is Nirn is very much like the Real World. It has to be, or Bethesda would have to do an awful lot of work creating new laws of nature to explain how their world is different from ours, and players would have a very hard time relating to a place that really was totally alien to them.

Even the Aedra would not be fine and dandy. One thing that is clear is that their fates are bound to the people, and vice-versa. That is how the Orisimer got all green, because of Trinimac turning into Malacath. It is also the Thalmor's big plot. Outlaw the worship of Talos, and eventually people will stop believing in him. When that happens Talos is unmade, which in turn unmakes the universe. So when everyone dies, the Nine (or Eight if you are an Imperial) Divines will be about as well as the cold and dead husk the world will have turned into.

It honestly is a real end of the world scenario. One that most people probably have simply not thought through because they think the basic idea sounds cool (even if Mr. Burns thought of it first...). People often get caught up in the dazzle, and do not look any deeper. That is how the ad industry works after all.

Now to be honest, I am not really sure if the ES vampires actually need blood to survive. If they do not, then they will be just fine and dandy on the bleak, lifeless world they create. If they do, wiping out the prey animals they depend upon to survive is not the smartest maneuver. Like I said before, the irony really is amusing. I would hope that they would pull it off, just so they could die by their own machinations. That is always the best way for an Evil Overlord to go.

Lord Levidicus (spl.) survived decades locked in his bedroom after his orc mistress ran off with their half-vampire son (the Grey Prince in Oblivion). This might not apply to all vampires. Cyrodillic vampires seem to need blood merely to retain a veneer of humanity (or whatever race they are).

I would not be surprised. Vampires are undead after all. Other forms of undead do not need sustenance. Vampires are kind of the odd man out in a way, in that they feed on people. But I do not think Bethesda ever really explained why they feed. Except of course that it seems to suppress the vampiric disease, reducing their powers and making them appear more 'normal'. So feeding on people only seems necessary for vampires that want to blend in. Otherwise it is better to just abstain and be more powerful.

I have thought feeding on blood is like an instinct for vampires, or like a drug. Maybe both.

That makes sense. Molag Bal did make them, and he does not do anything to be nice to people or make the world a better place.

While Molag Bal loves to spread discord and corruption among mortals, the mainr eason he created vampires was to point a middle finger at Arkay to mock him.

Though in regards to feeding, lore-wise some vampires(The order and of Cyrodiilic bloodline) have a reversed feeding because of Clavicus Vile. Not all vampires rage for blood. Some were altered to only drink a certain amount before they are fully sastified with that small portion. Though vampires drink blood mostly because of nutrition. Since they are dead, they crave the blood of the living. Since they do not age and their body aging is "paused", we can assume their bodies change as well. It explains the reason for them turning to dust upon true death.

You are a fun person to talk to!

Do you think the Cyrodiilic vampires might be connected to Harkon?

Well, thank you. I'm enjoying this conversation as well.

As for Harkon, I do not know. Perhaps Dawnguard will explain the inconsistency between the description of Skyrim's vampires in Immortal Blood and in the game. Speaking of which, I was happy to find out the identity of the vampire lord in the Laid to Rest. Since they tied in their vampire mythos from Oblivion I'm encouraged that they will handle Dawnguard's vampire narrative well.

We shall see

Laid to Rest was an interesting quest. Movarth's presence was awesome. It further supports the theory that the Order or at least those of the bloodline, are in Skyrim. And the fact that blending in, feeding on sleeping people and the worshipers of Clavicus Vile all points fingers to the Order. Not to mention Sybille Stentor fitting the description of one.

I hope Bethesda adds ingame books to support some of the lore. Harkon's castle is named Castle Volkihar, so something is a bit off. There was a theory that the true Volkihar were hiding away over the centuries, and the Falmer(which are rumored to be involved) were mistaken for the Volkihar because of their vampire-esque qualities of paleness and urge to live in the darkness, further twisting the concept of what is truly a Volkihar and what is not.

I wonder if Harkon will comment on the player's vampirism, there needs to be at least some tweaked dialogue such as when Alva spoke to you if you are a vampire or Arnbjorn if you are a werewolf.

Looking forward to so many elements in this!

Dragonbone weapons, at last.

Horse-mounted combat oh god.

One thing that does irk me is those vampire wings, I mean they looked like little shaved chicken legs in the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc947ymV6aw...mp;feature=plcp

Don't know if it's been mentioned before, but Serana looks an awful lot like Serene from Underworld.

I'm betting it's a deliberate reference.

Edit: Forgot to say this, but man, those crossbows look brutal!

The Vampire Lord form looks like Marcus from Underworld as well. And it seems they have vampire politics based off the movie, sort of. In any case, I hope we marry Serana. And it is *Selene* by the way. Even their names are similar.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHbhZRHp2aA&feature=plcp

This guy is atrocious at gameplay. He spent ten minutes trying to get up in the stairs when he could of just reverted back to human form. And he spammed too much drain life spell. Casual gamer is casual. I am dissapoint.

I am definitely looking forward to this! I do agree with what SubRosa said, it would be more fun if we'd get new lands to explore like in Shivering Isles (which still is my favorite Bethesda DLC). But to me, it looks fun nonetheless.

We get the Soul Cairn to explore.

Well then, I guess this showed how much I know about the DLC, haha!

I'm going to try to avoid any news on this DLC as I can until I can finally get it.