IM TIRED AND TIRED OF TRYING TO FIND NEWS ON A NEW ES GAME. IS THERE ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ANOTHER ES!???

From what I know, Bethesda has trademarked the name "Skyrim" for future products including several games (on mobile and PC together with other consoles I think) and merchandise like T-Shirts or caps. It's on a site for registered things. That's the only thing we know, at the moment.

Bethesda said their next project was Fallout 3 was it? After that they'd start on ES V

I heard some cryptic hints from someone who thinks he knows what is going on that the next TES title will involve some kind of big end-of-times scenario, but how that is supposed to play out, no idea.

Quite honestly, I don't really care either. After the disappointment that Oblivion provided and what I have seen of Sellout 3 I lost all hope for the series.

That's where mods come in, Stargelman. Oh, and I think some guy from Bethesda (PR Hines I think) did say that after Fallout 3 Beth would handle the next ES game. Of course, I don't trust Hines (or any other PR guy for that matter since they're always full of crap) as much as I'd trust a real dev from Beth, like Emil Pagliarulo for example (he still is with Beth right? he did a splendid job with the DB quest line).

It's always this or that or some other doom or gloom, and future's only hope is Jude Law armed with 5 bullets and no rifle and... oh, wait, wrong movie >_<

I LOL'd. Honestly.

But yeah, any game that seriously considers a nuclear bazooka as a viable weapon is... how do I put it? Over the top ridiculous. And no crotch sniping... for shame, Beth, for shame.

As for TESF V, I won't play it. Hell, I didn't even play Oblivion yet, remember? Piss poor, things to do with money I'm earning now, no time or resources for new components? Yeah. I could care more, but thankfully, I don't.

If you'll play without mods then you really have nothing to miss Milanius. Oblivion is just a crappier version of Morrowind without mods. Morrowind with fast travel, horses and telepathic guards. The better graphics are something optional since it depends on the computer you're using.

Mods can't fix what I think is wrong with Oblivion. It's an ok computer game, but my point is that it is a lousy TES game, measured by the standards created by the previous games. The story is bleh, there is barely any background story, no politics of any kind, no faction conflicts aside from that one FG questline, the lore's been mistreated so bad it'll never fly again and the world is bland and quite boring. I won't even mention dialog. There are a lot of other things that are wrong with this game, but I don't really feel like going into them again as I have had this discussion countless times before and I just don't care for this series anymore - that is for any new installments. I still love the old games.

Oh, you meant those things. Well, yes, from TES standards Oblivion is a damned hacked-up game both in terms of lore, atmosphere, dialogue, factions, politics and many other things (why did they remove the ability to wear two different gauntlets or two different pauldrons? Pauldrons don't even exist in Oblivion anymore!).

But as you said, if one starts complaining about why Oblivion is a bad game TES-wise, one can go on forever. I meant mods can fix some more in-your-face issues like the level scaling system (hats down to OOO and Francesco's!).

I just love it how they made Sheo in Shivering Isles a complete and utter homicidal maniac. Yep, being a Mad God is all about threatening a guy/gal who is here to help your butt with gut wrenching and dismembering females to make musical instruments out of her body parts... neat.

And before anyone starts saying "why the hell are you talking about something you know NOTHING about", I still visit TIL from time to time and read, so, yeah.


boat, butt, potato, tater

more edit: level scaling is also a silly thing. Where in hell do you get a Lv30 Bear? And how do you fight it?

In Gothic II I have had areas that literally made me cry, since creeps were so tough hey would rip me in half ina single swing/bite... but, imagine that joy when I climb a rock in the middle of a worg-infested forest and start sniping at them, killing them one by one, until area is safe? That is what RPG should be all about, overcoming lousy odds and showing guts in the face of doom.

I don't think I'm getting TES V, honestly. Oblivion was disappointing, especially since I expected a interesting plot 'n stuff. I was actually so excited I wrote my own vision on how the plot could go... I still have it somewhere, and I could post it here in a short summary, if anyone cares to listen.

However, SI is rather interesting. I just got it recently, and I must say, so far, so good... 'Cheese for everyone! Wait, scratch that, cheese for no one. That's as much of a celebration if you don't like cheese.'

I agree, from what I played of Oblivion they not only butchered the game by removing several of my favorite skills and abilities but they didn't really add anything new and exciting. The lore and story were obviously neglected as well as many of the quests. Even with the flaws it has its okay for an action game but piss poor for an RPG in my opinion. I was able to enjoy Morrowind on an entirely different level and also for a much greater period of time...hell I played it for years and didn't get bored...I couldn't ever really get into Oblivion enough to bring myself to play for more than a few hours at a time.

Yeah I'm not sure if I would play another TES game. I mean, I'll be honest, I probably will end up buying it and playing it. However, Oblivion gave me none of the joy Morrowind did. I literally played Morrowind for nearly every day for two years. I know that's a little extreme, but I really could not find a game I liked more. I really felt comfortable, familiar, and satisfied with Morrowind. When Oblivion came out, it lost that whole feeling for me. I enjoyed it some of the time, but there was not as many features, and really, the story was pathetic compared to Morrowind.

I don't agree with you there. Actually, I think the story is better than Morrowind's. I mean come on, "Dagoth Uhr is a traitor and he has the power of Vvardenfell" bla bla bla. All the same in every game a "traitor, devil" has the great power and you're going to stop it". Kind of annoying. I really love Oblivion and I'm getting GOTY edition for more quests.
Well, that was just my opinion...


//Daedroth


BTW
I really hope that ES V is going to be Valenwood. Not Skyrim for Gods Sake! We have the bloodmoon expansion and Bruma is like a city in Skyrim.
But when I think about I would prefer that you could be in every province.

Worst summary, ever.

Come on, you show up, your a prisoner, TES prerequisete, you get somwe papers to see Cosias Cascades, (or whatever) and he turns out to be a spy leader?! Of course you have to find this out from smooka-dealing thieves guilder's, but still. Then your running around for him as you collect pieces of the proechy that points to noone, until Cosias points at you and goes "You get the save the island!" From there on your playing along with the profecy (sp...), until you get to Dagoth Ur, and sure it's the never ending Devil vs Hero, but he's not out to be top dog... well he is in a round-a-bout fashion, but to use the -heart- of a god to power a dwemer corpus spreader. (He has some serious mechanical skills.)

Oblivion; your a hero, quick, get Martin! Oh thanks, lets find out what he wants to do. Go into an enemy shrine and steal a book... Kill a spy... Go into a gate and save .. [spoilers deleted]

I dunno, Morrowind just had a classy feel to it anyway, it wasn't Alyied ruin every thirty feet, bandit camp... well actually bandits were pretty common in both.


Elswyhre (err), FTW!



Almost everyone here has completed Morrowind, but the same is not true for Oblibian, so please keep the spoilers to a minimum. Thanks.

Well, when you say it like that of course Morrowind sounds better. Don't take me wrong, I love Morrowind and I've play it ALOT! But for some reason I enjoy Oblivion more (except for the training system). I don't complain about Oblivion. It's such a great looking game (and since I'm playing most on the 360 the graphics are really high) and the side quests (not the main quest) are so creative. That's what i like about Oblivion.
By the way; isn't this chat a bit off-topic?


//Daedroth

The editing was just a spelling thing.

Oops, sorry!

And yeah, this really sould get back on topic

Valenwood would be fun.. big trees, crazy Bosmer... Though you'd have to put up with all of Fargoth's 2nd cousins and whatnot...

Don't forget the adoring fan too! BTW, why is the wood elfs always the most annoying characters (not the most annoying race) I mean just look at Fargoth Adoring Fan (which is a kid in my world) and Maglir. GAAH!


//Daedroth

I am a recent owner to the Elder scrolls saga .

I Think as far as a console game Oblivion is a breath of fresh air.
It was a worthy sucessor to the old PS game "Exhumed" i had been looking for.
Now when i want to hack some evil sod to death i dont seek a flamin keyboard.(execpt for C&C generals).

There is scope for the elder scrolls to venture in all the other provinces in Tamriel , perhaps even an expedition to Akavir to take revenge for the disaster of Ionith.

Indeed we can all look for perfection (PS3 dosent give u access to the Orrory), but it takes a lot of nouse when there is a connection to the rest of Tamriel if you read the books in the game .
So stick with the saga, im sure playability and story issues will has will continue to differ to slightly to previous chapters.

So bring on Skyrim, Valenwood or Hammerfell, there is no other developer creating adventures any thing near this.

Regards The Sphinx

Not Valenwood ! Wood elves are a nuisance in Oblivion. And they are ugly.
Nords are not very funny though.
DId not redguard take place in hammerfell ?
I don't really think they could make a whole game in blackmarsh, with only argonians. Too bad

I agree with you that woodelves are ugly, but I'll still think Valenwood would be fun.
There is an "Elder Scrolls Adventure" game that is called "Redguard" which came out 1998. It takes place i Hammerfell so they can't make another one. And for gods sake not in Black Marsh. I hate Argonians and Khajiits (not sure of the spelling).

As for Black Marsh, I'm afraid Beth can't make it into an authentic lore-true experience anyway. Why? Well simply, cause Argonia is pretty much the most inhospitable place of Tamriel. Forget Ashstorm, Argonia has swamps that suck you up, flies that eat your face given half a chance and who knows what else.
(Although, the worm subway sounds like a cool alternative to Siltstriders)

If they went with Argonia, either the place would be so dangerous it takes all the fun out of it, or it would be a relatively safe forest rather than a swamp. In the first case casual players would give up out of frustration and roleplayers would find it too tedious to roleplay. In the second case, those who play for the lore would fall on it harder than they did on Oblivion.

Actually Redguard takes place on Stros M'kai exclusively which while belonging to Hammerfell is a remote island far away from the mainland. And Daggerfall took part partially in Hammerfall as well as High Rock.

Also, by that same logic they couldn't do any Tamrielien province since they were all covered by Arena. But of course with their ability to "reinvent" they could have 10 games in a row in the same province and they'd be nothing alike, landscape wise.

Ahh! I never knew that..

An Elder Scrolls Adventure: Redguard took place only on the small island of Stros M'kai. Other than that, a quarter or so of Hammerfell was also featured in Daggerfall along with half of High Rock, but other than that, Hammerfell is still ripe for the picking and it would be my own destination of choice, since it features my favourite race, the Redguards.

EDIT: Beat me to it Starge.

Well I'm sure they could have two places combined if they were going to have Blackmarsh in it, like the Blood Moon expansion for Morrowind.



But Blackmarsh would be boring IMO, Valenwood and a portion of Elswhyre would be better and more likely, but its probably gonna be somewhere else, like Skyrim.

I was sort of planning to keep away from this topic, but you got me.

There are Major Mods being attempted to cover all the locations you have described out there.

With the possible exception of Hammerfell they are nowheres near completion because of internal politics, petty jealousies, viciousness etc, getting in the way of properly setting them up.

I will stick to a brief chat on the ones I see as the most approachable


Valenwood is a fascinating mod to attempt because of the Green Pact. Read Dance in the Fire (TIL has it) and you will discover that there are many different kinds of Bosmer. Read more and you will discover that there are beautiful as well as ugly Bosmer. Those with common sense keep well away from Lands where their most sacred customs are reviled or pissed on.

Falinesti in Valenwood is a Mile High City Tree and there are lots of different and new races there. Sadly creating a model of Falinesti that truly corresponds to Lore is very difficult. Technically tell me how you are going to create an in scale MILE HIGH TREE first! There was on model that got near, but had problems.


Black Marsh - wonderful stuff. The first problem there is not the swamps or the flies. First you have to immunise your Non-Argonian players and NPCs against the diseases and poisons that abound there. You could solve one aspect of this by only having Black Marsh native PCs - there are several Intelligent Races there, not just Argonians! Seem to remember there is one other race that has strong poison/disease resistance? But Argonians are immune. And then many of your non-Argonian NPCs are going to catch diseases etc ... tough on them eh?

If you are Argonian/Native then it should be doable/playable from a Lore point of view. You would have to have swamps that suck you in, but also senses capable of detecting them, etc ...

Elsweyr - highly doable and 16 possible player races of Khajiit too!


New Major Mod?
What I would like to do for starters is a Valenwood/Elsweyr Borderlands mod! If you read my little tale then you will begin to see Lots of tension loads of opportunity to create quests and skirmishing etc. If anyone is interesting in actually doing such a thing then contact me.

It would require a new and entirely independant Web Site - I have seen what happens when the Administrator and mods come into conflict. And it would require an HTML proficient Designer to set up properly. I do not mean someone who is a professional (makes cash by conning small companies or large into forkin out loads-a dosh for crap) - I am talking about someone who can simply do, when and as, what is needed. If those are on tap then I know where to go to get more folks - see on ...

Then comes the long task of attracting talent. Having great writers as there are on this Forum can be a bonus there, also needed are a deeply competant and inspired: composer; heightmapper; modeller; tex specialist; rigger; animator; quest scripter interior specialist, exterior specialists, language, spoken and written, etc ... these are just a backbone because for all the resources out there that can be lawfully acquired only so much is genuinely well done and you need folks who can do whatever is really needed, not sort of, and so pass on their skills. Sure you will get new talent and you cannot chuck their contributions out just like that. They have to be carefully helped along. Then they can become the backbone of your project/s.

Is that it? Nah - you need people who understand how the graphics software, nifscope, CS etc you are using really works or who can find out and create adjustments so you can get basic stuff done ...

Put all that together ad you have a chance. Whatchergot guys?


Oblivion? Cyrodiil is the merchant /speech / politics center of Empire native territory? It should have been the last attempted. No arguing with that. Then you meet all the Lore from all the places you visited there and that would really be the deal.

What happened is doubtless satisfying for people from other platforms as I have never encountered a game as Lore-intensive as TES daggerfall and Morrowind. But in order to include the new platforms they decimated what was there. Paired it down drastically. And produced what should have been sold as a side-game, not as a full TES release. Just like Redguard and Battlespire, which were fine games in their own right.

Oblivion could have been a great pocket in the history of the Scrolls, but they felt they had to sell it to the platforms. And to do that they had to sell it as a full TES release lest 'people' think it was not up to par. As a result I am beginning to question whether the Consoles are genuinely capable of handling a full TES game. Come to think of it are PCs?

I just sit idly by waiting for the "good" mods, i don't think i would have a mod giving me more of tamriel 'cause simply, i like cyrodiil as just cyrodiil (prolly not right), if i get a mod, it's the axpansion, or sold like the others in a box (knights of the nine).

i do hope they think more of the story line in the next game as morrowind not only had a more in dept main story, but also far more side missions and factions.

So my advice is that they use some more time, and make some more missions and better stories while they have that time.

the side missions for Oblivion had an amasing story yes, but it's the main story that counts, and my clear opinion is that morrowinds was better. i don't say oblivions suck, but it isn't the one for me.

oh and in the next edition, i'd like to see more were-stuff, i read on UESP that there were many in Daggerfall, and i know there were werewolves in Morrowind: Bloodmoon.

i reallyu don't care where it is, as long as they don't cut out any races, and go back to some of the stuf from morrowind again, i miss flying enemies, what will you do without cliff racers? the creatures that made the dragons flee?

As far as I know there are only werewolves and werepigs in Daggerfall...can't say I wish they'd left the werepigs in myself though.

Yeah, only Werewolves and Wereboars were in Daggerfall. There is, however, this book in Daggerfall that lists a bunch of other were-creatures; Werewolves, werebears, wereboars, werelions, werecrocodiles, werevultures and, of course, weresharks.

We probably won't be seeing anything other than werewolves for quite some time though.

Just ask Rane, he knows everything. Lol.

I'm sorry Guys, nut there will be no more ES.

A friend of mine work at betesda. There will be a game without the story itself, should be online, for 360 and PC. Sorry

Now that's a disappointment right?

Joe, Bob or Mike?

I don't think Bethesda is prepared to give up a cash-cow like the TES series, especially with so many fans that will buy their games no matter what, as long as there's an Elder Scrolls on the label. It's just too profitable to give up lightly.

I don't think I'm prepared to let people spread FUD like that. If it happens again Mr. Kitten will get angry.

Ooooo.. I want to be a were-boar...

new here but if a new one came out i would like a elder scrollls with the akivari people/ races like monkeyfolk, vampiric snakes, deadra/demon, and tiger dragons. also have all of te area meaning hamerfell, valenwood, skyrim, etc.......

I've changed my mind.. You should be able to be in every province like in arena.

Well that would be a pretty big game. And the bigger the game, the less detail they can go into. Personally, I'd rather they stick to on Province, make it bigger than Cyrodiil of course, and just make it very detailed. In my opinion, I'd like it if they either went to Skyrim or the Summerset Isles.

Nah. Too much space, which means they'll have to have thousands of NPC's, which will probably come, once again, at the cost of an update to lore and realisticly done provinces. It'll be like Oblivion II, with extra space.

They should just keep choosing single provinces, and put a lot of work into the lore of the province, like how Morrowind was done.

i agree

For those of you short on ES "geography", the provinces like Cyrodil and Morrowind are located in the continent Tamriel. The continent Tamriel is located on the planet Nirn (yes like nirnroot). So personally, I think that if they based the new game in a different continent on the planet Nirn, they could not only open up race selection but also put in a wild never seen before type landscape. And I think that would just be awesome.

What's with this Shadow Realm rumor or whatever, if someone could straighten that out for me that would be great.

P.S- If your tired of waiting for the next ES like I am, Fable 2 and Fallout 3 are just around the corner.

What's up with all these Skyrim lovers? Why don't we just take Morrowind (not vvardenfell). By the way, do anyone see that we're only talking about were the game should take place. That's not the most important thing.

I just hope they give alot more care to the plot and the lore if they decide to make another game. Oblivion's story was less interesting than an old school Where's Waldo book.

I'd like to see a game based in Valenwood, if you don't know why go read A Dance in Fire...awesome books about an amazing (while admittedly fictional) place.

Crazed animals galore, wild Khajiit, moving city/trees, rushing rivers, cannibals, and giant spider/ticks = good.

I would love to see some sort of massive world for TES V, as long as they did go in-depth with the lore, plot, background, and everything else they screwed up in Oblivion. If they do just do another province, Valenwood would be cool, except for the giant spiders and other bugs.

Nah mate thats the best part.

thats a great comparason

For all of you ES Lovers (I suppose all of us) the news have arrived a new ES game is on the way. Apparently they've been working on it for almost two years now, and the release is at the moment said to be in 2010 (which means that we may have to expect theem to release it almsot a year later than they've said now, since quite frankly Oblivion was almost seven months delayed from the original release date, and I have no expectations of Bethesda holding true to the release date this time either )

well at least their is going to be a new elder scrolls