It doesn't make sence,does it?Well woman in general don't make much sence.We guys are a lot more simple.All we want is to watch football,drink beer,having a blast,while women are intrested in something completly diffrent.That's why it's called OPOSITE SEX
EDIT:I'm kidding (about guys being more simple).

Well my experience tells me that would be a mistake.Opening your heart to them while still early can have serius consequances(sp?).He is more asking how to saduce a woman i think.My post above reflects my opinion,but using a word ''cattle'' was really harsh (my english is limitating).I was thinking more like taking a ''macho'' attitude,not showing any weaknesses at all,always tough,always yourself(Not what she wants you to be),always firm.At least that's what worked for me over the years.

I agree,that's a good opinion.Don't apologise for who you are (because you already know that you're a cool guy j\k),get a firm stance,and ALWAYS,ALWAY be confident whatever you do.I also make sure that she knows my intentions,just to make sure she doesn't think i want to be her friend,i want to be her boyfriend.

That's what worked for me in my homeland,i will see how it works on Dutch girls yet

I think it's really funny that when I said 'evil, insidious, devious and foul' everyone automatically assumed I was talking about women. Maybe if I was talking about men it would have been 'stupid, scratch-loving, lazy and uncaring'. Anyway, I didn't actually say which sex I was making comments on.

Though women do go with the 'spend your money' bit a lot more than men.

As for children? Why do I hate them? Apart from the fact that they're rude, disease ridden, unable to control body functions, attention-seeking, noisy, messy, expensive (when you have one you're signing up to 18 years of food, clothes, entertainment and rubbish holiday bills), they break things, they 'fix' things, they don't appreciate their parents, quite often they hate their parents, they cause their parents heartache and worry, they systematically destroy any hobby you have, they can be random and violent, their friends are all incredibly annoying, they hog the computer, they require constant attention, for the first bit you need to wait on them, for the first bit you need to wipe their backside, they insist on watching The Cartoon Network, you can't watch good adult movies in the middle of the day (and I don't mean porn, I mean... Aliens, sometimes I just want to watch Aliens in the afternoon), they demand you get a pet, even if you're allergic to it, you're expected to fufil meaningless obligations to their school, they override any previous social commitment, they are irritating in a car, they often stare at you squiffy, you're never out of the emergency ward, you're worried about their future, you find yourself with no future because you're worried about theirs, your savings dissapear because of their future, you have to suffer the dreaded 'hormonal' period of their lives, and they smell?

I've got a few reasons but I don't want to bore you by listing them.

Whooooooo,now that's exaggerating(sp?)!
I mane cammon':You were a kid once!
You hate kids because they're ignorant?Because they have more to learn,becaue they are.....err noughty?Wow man,there is much more to it than that.They are.....well kids!

I'm not a father myself,but i have a friend in my homeland (he's my age),and you should really see how happy he was when he got little Anja (common female name).He was soooooo drunk,we had to watch over him ''till morning.He says it's the best thing it's ever happend to him.And i belive his word.

You say they hate their parents?No.
They can be (i know because i was like that) that they can be demanding,arogant,unpleasant,hard-headed,but they still love their parents.Hell,i love my mother and father today.They hate you only if youtreat them to hard or too soft.

About pets:If you're alergic,simply say ''no''.His\her intrest in such a thing is only temporary.They just want to know what is the feeling of having a dog.

About not worrying about your future:When they grow up,they're not their own.Until that,it's your duty to love and care for that child.When he\she comes to 18:You don't have any right to interfier with their lives.You can live for yourself,just sometimes help them out.

There is much more to say that this,i just scrached the surface.

I find the child list quite amusing.

But I more agree with HyPNO's point ... when you have a child of your own it is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. Or at least, it should be.

I never imbibed in children, but there is one picture on my fiend's desk, of her daughter and her granddaughter. The mother is holding the little infant girl and the baby has her arms outstretched and a big smile ... probably playing some game like hide n seek. But the baby is the exact tiny replica of the mother.

I guess that would be cool ... kinda like having your own mini-me.

Nah, I find the whole idea of children nauseating. I just wished we had the technology to grow them in vats until they were 8, let them out, have them around for those that wanted them and think they're cute and all that until they're 12, then ship them off to some kind of kid-farm until they were 16.

And I said some of them hate their parents. Not all of them, but I know a lot of kids that grew up shouting "I hate you!!!" and such. I always find it funny that parents say how much they love their children and all that when you ask them, but all they ever do is complain about them. And no baby is good looking. They all look like that freaky monster that pops out of that guy's chest in Total Recall.

Anyway, that whole money trap isn't for me. Where am I going to be without the opposite sex and the burden of parenthood? Happier, healthier, and a hell of a lot wealthier.

Money may not by happiness, but money buys stuff, and stuff makes me happy. I'd rather have a holiday where I dangle off suspension bridges screaming, or go climbing up the Machu Pichu trail, than having to settle for a sea side resort with balloons, donkey rides and flumes because I've got midget baggage in the shape of two unimpressed kids.

Thank you very much for caring, Ibis, and the story was very helpful and inspiring . Things are going so-so. Not only was I kicked out of my friend Kevin's house, but he was too. Not only that but his friend Amanda got dumped by her boyfriend and now lives with us. This adds 2 to the total people making the sum of my group 4. My Cousin (John), Kevin, Amanda, and me. Not only this, but we're being kicked out of where we are staying now in a few days.
Still, things are not so bad. Amanada has an apartment on hold, but she has to hold a job for two weeks before she may move into it. She already has a job, but it's in another city, so we're moving... again. We'll camp outside for the two weeks and then move into the apartment when we can. Meanwhile the rest of us will be searching for jobs.
I'm not crazy about sleeping outside for so long, but I'll do what I have to do. Things are definently looking up though, with the gaining of a home and all. It's only a studio apartment, but at least it's somewhere to stay. Unfortunatly, Kevin was the only one with a computer (or at least one with the internet) so I won't be on very often. Still, when I can be on all give you updates on my condition, if you're interested.
I just got food stamps today, so eating isn't a problem anymore. As I figure, I'll be living off of top-ramen and microwave pizzas for the next few months/years. It's a good thing I grew up on that food I get about $150 worth of food every month, as does my cousin, and so will Kevin soon. Amanda get's about $110.
I have a good feeling about everything, I know it will turn out for the best. I'm not so sure about school, but at least I'm alive and that's the most I can ask for. When I'm 17 we'll be able to apply for a 3 bedroom apartment, so I have a bit of something to look forward to.

Aww Stomach Ache! You shouldn´t be living like that! You´re far too young, but why don´t you live with your family? I didn´t grasp that......hmm if you wanna tell...that is. You don´t have to but I´ll stil be wondering and thinking of you!


Remember that.....here you´ve got friends who care about you!

Take care dear.....

Thank you very much for the concern :]

I don't live with my family for many reasons, but it can basicly be summed down into one sentence. "They are bad parents". I'm sorry for being so general, but I don't feel like stating at at this time. If you are truly curious though, you can PM me about it.

Dude, I hope furtune smiles upon you as it did me or I would not know where I would be right now... maybe dead or even worse.

Anyways I dont talk much to everyone but I want everyone to know that I wish nothing but the best for evryone here because you all seem like good people... people I havent had the fortune to meeting in my life very often.

I think it's horrible that 16 year olds can be homeless in a country such as the US (or anywhere else for that matter). Will not the government help you with a place to live?

Anyway I wish you best of luck, and that fortune will smile upon you soon. No one should have to go through what you're describing.

Rainer extends his heart to you.

Cake?

You forgot that their the bases of all human life, are filled with love and are practically slaves to my command.



I sure hope things work out for the best, or atleast work out. Its such a travesty that you have to live in a tent for two weeks and that you're depending on food stamps and a single person's job, but I guess you should be able to make it. Take care of yourself eh?

I wish you the best, Mr. Stomache Ache... and I hope things look up for you. Please try and keep us updated on how you're doing.

It sucks that that's how things have worked out mate, but i'm sure things will get better. Good luck, and try to keep us posted on how it's going if you can

"Rugged Individualism"

Its a term coined back before/during the Great Depression by Herbert Hoover. It stated that we should be individuals and as such take care of ourselves. (Or something like that) Thusly, our government, even though we've considered Hoover evil incarnate, is still loosely following the pattern of "Rugged Individualism".

However, he can still apply for various.. err.. welfare related objects such as food stamps, but housing is not usually addressed in this instance. We tend to survive ourselves, or rely on the good will of others.

Personally Stomache Ache I'm glad for you. Your situation could be better, but it could also be worse. But it seems you four have got your priorities straight and that you've decided to be somewhat humble in your choice of food-goods. I pray for your success in finding a job and we are always here for support.

They're not the basis of human life. That'd be something like mitosis or meiosis of cells, or the opening sequence of "Look who's Talking". They're part of the cycle of life, that I'll grant you. But that doesnt' mean I have to like it, or them. Kids arn't filled with love, they're filled with selfish little 'me' thoughts and undeveloped ideas, and I'm afraid I can't speak expertly on your ability to command children.

C'mon man, it is a little absurd to be mad at children because they're brain isn't fully developed. Also, all of the actual problems you listed with children are caused by bad parenting. You spoil the child, the child will feel entitled to more than they should. No one is born with a selfishness complex, and if they are its a serious medical condition.

Anyways, I've had a pretty good day full of fun and friends and I hope all of you can say the same. oh, and my pyromancy skills (aka my skills of burning things with barbeque lighters) caused quite a panic. I burnt some paper towel in my kitchen and for some reason it attached itself to the end of the barbeque lighter. I tried to rub and shake it off, but in the end the small amount of paper towel fell on some butter. Now I have a half melted stick of butter. Lovely .

If it makes you feel better I'll say then that I hate being around children. They arn't my idea of enjoyable company. I don't blame cats for being animals; doesn't mean I want to hang around being stared at by 'em. And not all the problems I've listed are caused by bad parenting - most of them are pretty natural parts of growing up and learning, based on their needs and physiology and all that kid of stuff. Like I said, just because it's part of the natural process doesn't mean I have to like it. I could liken that to another rather foul aspect of biology for about half the population, but I'm not going to go down that route. You're right are about one thing though, there are some medical conditions which I suppose you could call a 'selfishness complex'.

I myself had a strange night. I dressed up smart with friends (posh dresses and tuxedos) and went to a Casino, thinking we were orginal. Alas, we went on James Bond theme night. Still, I made five times the money I actually bet to begin with, so I can't complain. The secret to roulette is to bet on the wide bets, and bet in multiples - say, one lot on Any Black, one on Any Odd, one on 19-36. That ways you're likely to only lose one stack or gain one stack in the odds (with an slightly more than equal chance of losing it rather than gaining it all), but you have three variables to bet on the probablities. Eh, worked for me.

I agree with foster. It sucks being around children all they ever do is complain and ask for things. Little snot nose punks all of them.

But you know what is worse than children?.... BABIES

God I hate babies

I can't help but laugh of this children stuff, I'm sorry. Have you forgotten you were once children yourselves?

Anyway I have no children myself, but I'm godfather to my niese and nephew, which I've been babysitting and taking care of regularly since they were born. Sure they mess up when they're growing up, doing silly mistakes that they learn from (as we all do), but they've never been mean or done anything mean on purpose. I can't understand why you guys claim that children in general do that.

Then again I guess that all depends on where and how they grow up...?

i eat babies

I just realized...

I never see Megil Tel Zeke anymore.

Being female I seem to have this bred-in reaction to the big-headed, large-eyed, small nosed specimens like puppies, kittens and babies ... thinking that they all are cute.

However, I don't want to hold them or have them climbing on me. I only like well-behaved children and yes, they are extremely hard to find anymore. And I blame the parents.
I remember when it was just common curtesy when a child was crying or squealing that horrible screech that only a mother can't hear - the parent would take the child out of the movies-store-church-restaurant, until the child calmed down and was quiet again. But not now - they look at you like they want to axe you in the head if you even look sideways as their brat screams its head off over the dialogue of the movie. It's the rude parents that need to be disaplined.
But enough of that - we need more children born so they will pay our social security like we paid the old people ahead of us, right President Bush? Isn't that how it works, President Bush?? President Bush! Your gonna confiscate all the social security funds and pass them out to your rich oil buddies?? Pres, what the heck do we need the kids for then? Executions all around! hehe

So I am very glad to hear that Stomach Ache is doing okay. I think your situation sounds promising. Four are better than two when it comes to trying to pull together and make it work. Shame that you all do have to sleep outside for 2 weeks, I hope you all have a tent and sleeping bags and all the neccessary gear. Or that you can trade some foodstamps somehow for at least a sleeping bag if you don't.
I think that you did the right thing if you had bad parents. A wise but probably very difficult and scary to make decision. Better to find friends who are a good influence in your life than living under the roof of bad influences. I hope you guys all get jobs and it sounds just delightful about the efficiency apartment. That is all we've lived in the past 21 years .... but really, it's great to have your own space at all, no matter what the size.
So, please do keep us informed and do be careful. You know who your friends are. There may be some people who will see your situation when you guys are camping out and they might try to ingraciate themselves to you, in order to take advantage in any variety of ways ... don't fall for that. I'm sure you know what I mean.
After you all get the apartment, maybe you could pool your money and get a computer and the internet - that'd be cool. Take care. Visit with us as often as you can. Don't forget that libraries have computers where I think people can talk on websites.

Yea.. I was thinking the same thing..

School (college) is about to get out here so.. Maybe he has finals?

Yeah, I've been wondering where he went. He was a good poster and a cool guy with a lot of interesting views.

I'm going bowling in an hour, wish me tons of strikes (or atleast some spares).

I wish thee good luck Master Red sir....may your hand guide the ball and gift you with a lot of strikes...

But I think it is funny...Megil dissapeared once like this earlier too...and it was a LOOOOONG time before he came back...I hope he returns soon though...he have a lot of interesting views...just like kindred spirit.

Hmmm ... well, I hope he comes back then. Let's hope it is college exams keeping his attention and that he is not having any trouble like I am having in trying to visit a website that I used to frequent and have many friends at.
I used to be a regular at The Elder Vaults website, but they got a hacker who shut it down and ever since then, my comp will not find the webpage - not through Yahoo or Google or through typing it directly into my browser window. So, I am relying on Khajiit Overlord Rainer to convey my messages back to the homesite.

Glad he is happy to be of service that way - so considerate. Thanks Rainer!

Rainer wonders that as well...

So everyone hated themselves at a certain point in their lives?


And Rainer will do his best as a messenger, Ibis.

Oh, I still hate myself. Back when I was a kid I probably didn't hate myself, though.

Where do you live? Utah?

Someone posted a huge list of reasons why not to like children, I find this list quite disturbing.

All of those attributes of the children that you've listed so far come from how they are raised. In other words, if the parent acts in a certain way, the child will. It is not the children, it is the one teaching the child: aka daddy and mommy.

I agree. All these kids I see in stores that cry and whine for hours on end so they can get a toy. And end up getting it!

First of all, the kid should never be allowed to throw a tantrum for very long (aka, slapped!)

Second, you don't actually buy the thing for them!

My parents didn't take any oof that crap, and when/if I'm a parent, I won't either.

Oh darn,i forgot to say i was just kidding
I mean i DID put the sign in it.I'll edit the post a bit

Anyway at the moment i live in Nederland

wow....that´s very good and sensible! I am proud to say that I never let my kids whine in stores to get things..in fact they even never thought of it, they knew perfectly well it was of no use!...

even though none of us like children, we have to remember that we were once one to! so you can't hate them that much seeing as how you were pretty much the same when you were their age

kids today are trained by comercials to whine and whine until they get something.

You know, Doom is absolutely right. In fact, I think kids today are pretty much totally taught by TV. It began back in earlier generations when TV was new and mothers discovered it was a good distraction for the kiddies to watch the tube in the living room while they did the household chores.
But TV has WAY changed since back in those days ... and Doom is right. I mean, look how in about August all the channels start early with the toy commercials for Christmas. And so many of the cartoons are nothing but floss that sells the toys that are the starring characters.
Cereals are now disgustingly coated not just with sugar but industrialized syrup/preservative. The aisles in supermarkets are arranged so that the kiddie stuff is right at level of a child's head in a shopping cart or lower so they see it walking.
And now, computers are taking over the teenage scene, and cell phones. You gotta be in the in crowd and have your computer in your room where your parents can't see what you're doing with your friends online and gotta be able to IM everybody else's cell.

Where do parents stand in all this barrage? Where they want to, that's where. They either parent or they let the media do it. God help us all.

Hmm.. Commercials directed at children are illegal in Norway (along with alcohol and tobacco commercials). Maybe something to work towards in other countries as well...? I can understand that TV commercials can influence children.

Hmm.This is an intresting discusion about commercials.

I would just like to say,that kids don't necesarily whine for what they want.At least i didn't whine when i was a kid.But again,my contry was under wars that severly cripled the economy,and people don't have much money.So i knew that my mother can't but me the toy because she doesn't want to,it's beacuse she doesn't have money.My country had some great crisis back then.....

Anyway,what i think.
Well,it's how you teach them really.If they know that they can get what they want by whining,offcourse they will whine.But if they know that method doesn't work...they will just give up.

Help yourself!

Anyway, speaking of advertizing, did anyone notice that we have a new ad on the site? We had the option to choose between two new advertizers that approached us, and one wanted a text ad while the other wanted big honking flash ads - I personally hate those.
Even worse, one asked us to mix content with advertizing! Write a "review" about their products!

Do you hate annoying web ads too? Big flashy stuff that distracts from the content and ads that are not clearly recognizable as such?

No. Where is it? Ads by google?

LOL I hate those flashing ads too (doesn't everybody?),but if there is anything even worse,it must be pop-ups.Good that i have pop-ups blocked

Anyway,congratulations on the new add (even though i didn't notice it ),and i hope that money income from the ad will partitionaly be spent on improving Chorrol.com servers

The ad is up there, right under the header with Bill & Bob. That tiny text ad.

And the money will be spent on running the server (just one!) as it is right now. Don't believe for one second we're making any profit with it

Anyway, back on topic, yeah. I forgot about popups because I haven't had any in ages, thanks to Mozilla's blocker and a very extensive Adblock configuration

That's great!
I'm glad to hear that.
I hope that flood control will be regulated in the near future.....That message can really be anoying .I wish you(and the whole Chorrol.com team) to make more ads,and invest the money in Chorrol.com
Oh BTW i just spoted the ad.It kind of blends in the background (which suits me just fine)

And what the topic is?I though this is the thread that has no topic

Anyway is the Firefox any good?I'm using Opera right now,but i heard that Firefox has some really wicked plug-ins

I'm ok with ads if that's what it takes to keep great free sites like this one running.

I frequented a flight sim site some time ago where users could make a small donation to avoid the ads. Those who didn't donate still had a random ad banner (but only one) on top of every page. That worked too...

All this disscussion of ads is making Rainer hungry!

Cake?

Does Rainer eat ads? Hmmm no food for a kitty, wait a sec, Minkey will give Rainer a very good Perfectly fit for a khajiit

*All visitors.....help yourself to the cinnamon-breads I put out!*

The only one I use and care about (I tried out a lot) is the Adblock plugin. Lets you blot out entire address ranges using wildcards so you don't get ads from them. You have a little button at the bottom right of your browser window that opens a list of files that are part of the current page, and you can just click on the ones you never want to see again, and you won't. It's nice. And of course there's 'Adblock this picture/iframe/whatever'...

NGAH!!!!
I turn on my computer, go online, only to discover all my favourites have been obliterated!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I can't even remember half the url's, i had been using the link in favourites for so long
This SUCKS

Dear sweet Wolfie......that really is bad! I feel sorry for you, i really do...

Now a similar thing happened to my outlook the other day....Half of my saved e-mails..down the drain, or just floating around in cyberspace

THankfully i managed to salvage the important ones, like my webcomics and forums and stuff, but it's really annoying because i know i put stuff in my favourites for a reason, and now they're gone..all gone...blasted computer!

Damn talk about a rough day....
Today was the first day of end of year exams and crap. I was sure I would flunk the math portion, but was puzzled at how easy it was.
AND
I have been informed of my girl moving... Supposedly about an hour away...
It really sucks.