Full Version: War Of Houses - Plan And Discussion 8
Alright... The battle is basically going to be the end of the Silhouette and miran working together, cause they make it into the city, however once there, Florodine, and his army, and then hlaalu come, and Miran never sent the reinforcements, so the Silhouette escape with the other silhouettes and moldair, and they kill miran. Then he will have to find a new place to work for. Though if any of you have an idea of what he should join just tell me
"Mean while a battering ram had reached the gate, and was doing great damage to it."
I do believe I have already said the bridges going into Vivec have been withdrawn. as to how you have a battering ram in water, ramming into a gate that is 10 feet above the water's surface is beyond me.
I do believe I have already said the bridges going into Vivec have been withdrawn. as to how you have a battering ram in water, ramming into a gate that is 10 feet above the water's surface is beyond me.
Hrm, Megil you ever going to have that Ordinator respond to Jonacin?
respond to Jonacin? My bad I don't even remember that post, I'll go back and find it.
Since we seem to have forgotten in this moldair must win campaign, let us look at Vivec as it is:
You are coming in from land, the first thing you come across is Water, oh my. this really does pose a problem since you can't really access the walls without crossing the water, especially since the water gets a good 15-20 feet deep right neer the walls. and I withdrew the bridges to the gates long ago in my first battle post.
So seeing as how this is part of the ocean there are tides, so the Gate into Vivec would be positioned above the highest tide, a good 6-10 feet above the water surface. with no bridge available to your army you would need to have a battering ram that is either on a boat, or is 25-26 feet in height (water depth+ position of gate)
You must then also consider that sylphs are detroying any unkown ship entering Vivec's waters, to you really couldn't get a battering ram out there as it would be sunk long before it reaches the locale.
You must then consider the height of the walls, a good 20 feet in height from city level, which is approximately at the same hieght as the gate from teh water's surface, but can be higher up. This would make the water front side of the walls a good 26-30 feet in height. and The towers are 10 feet higher than the wall, making them 36-40 in height from the outside. so in order to be able to escalte to wall height the siege towers would need to be on boats (which has already been explained as to why it would not work. Or they would have to be built in such a manner that you overcome the depth of the water, and the height of the wall. which means your siege towers would hve to be about 60 feet in height. And this is only if you attack the lowest parts of the city.
All-in-all it is a very well designed and efficient fortress. Yet you disregard the actual realism of these obstacles and instead attack vivec as if it were Ald-rhun or something.
You realy should revise your battle tactics for as it currently stands your moves make little or now sense for attacking a city that is in the water and is SURROUNDED by water.
Let us also address something else. You are the one stupid enough to erect leather tents over your army, It is therefore YOUR responsability to deal with the aftermath. It takes seconds for the leather to be penetrated and the spores to fill the space under the tarps. This is logica, so anything withing lets say 20feet of the landing sporebags would have a high concentration of spores withing 5-10 seconds. You also said you had erected these tarps over your army, and since your army is so large It is not possible for them to escape from beneath the tarps in time to escape the spores, or the burning tarps. many, by the thousands even would inhale the spores at tixoc levels, and the air thick with spores would ause troops to begin hacking and coughing as their mucus membranes in their lung are covered in the spores, and their boddies are trying to rid themselves of the spores. under extreme exposure the spores would block airways and people would choke. this is guaranteed to happen, and considering the enormous size of your army, the casualties from direct exposure would be in the hundreds if not the thousands. at lighter exposures the lungs would still be trying to rid themselves of the spores, and therefore your would have troops in the thousands that would be impaired from combat, this is disregarding the toxicity of the spores, once that kicks in you would have a large percentage of the impaired group suffering from illness caused by the toxin, and some of these would die later on a few hours after exposure, some even a few days.
So It is IMPOSSIBLE for your army to mirculously escape from under the tarps, and somehow miraculously suffer no ill effect from inhaling hundredas of thousands of spores.
This is far from realistic. So stop your invincible stance here and suffer the price of War. your army is after all MORTAL. I have not objected to your killing of my ordinators, And Personally you have suffered much more damage than you say you have. So please if you are going to wage war, be realictic and suffer the casualties that would come from these actions.
Since we seem to have forgotten in this moldair must win campaign, let us look at Vivec as it is:
You are coming in from land, the first thing you come across is Water, oh my. this really does pose a problem since you can't really access the walls without crossing the water, especially since the water gets a good 15-20 feet deep right neer the walls. and I withdrew the bridges to the gates long ago in my first battle post.
So seeing as how this is part of the ocean there are tides, so the Gate into Vivec would be positioned above the highest tide, a good 6-10 feet above the water surface. with no bridge available to your army you would need to have a battering ram that is either on a boat, or is 25-26 feet in height (water depth+ position of gate)
You must then also consider that sylphs are detroying any unkown ship entering Vivec's waters, to you really couldn't get a battering ram out there as it would be sunk long before it reaches the locale.
You must then consider the height of the walls, a good 20 feet in height from city level, which is approximately at the same hieght as the gate from teh water's surface, but can be higher up. This would make the water front side of the walls a good 26-30 feet in height. and The towers are 10 feet higher than the wall, making them 36-40 in height from the outside. so in order to be able to escalte to wall height the siege towers would need to be on boats (which has already been explained as to why it would not work. Or they would have to be built in such a manner that you overcome the depth of the water, and the height of the wall. which means your siege towers would hve to be about 60 feet in height. And this is only if you attack the lowest parts of the city.
All-in-all it is a very well designed and efficient fortress. Yet you disregard the actual realism of these obstacles and instead attack vivec as if it were Ald-rhun or something.
You realy should revise your battle tactics for as it currently stands your moves make little or now sense for attacking a city that is in the water and is SURROUNDED by water.
Let us also address something else. You are the one stupid enough to erect leather tents over your army, It is therefore YOUR responsability to deal with the aftermath. It takes seconds for the leather to be penetrated and the spores to fill the space under the tarps. This is logica, so anything withing lets say 20feet of the landing sporebags would have a high concentration of spores withing 5-10 seconds. You also said you had erected these tarps over your army, and since your army is so large It is not possible for them to escape from beneath the tarps in time to escape the spores, or the burning tarps. many, by the thousands even would inhale the spores at tixoc levels, and the air thick with spores would ause troops to begin hacking and coughing as their mucus membranes in their lung are covered in the spores, and their boddies are trying to rid themselves of the spores. under extreme exposure the spores would block airways and people would choke. this is guaranteed to happen, and considering the enormous size of your army, the casualties from direct exposure would be in the hundreds if not the thousands. at lighter exposures the lungs would still be trying to rid themselves of the spores, and therefore your would have troops in the thousands that would be impaired from combat, this is disregarding the toxicity of the spores, once that kicks in you would have a large percentage of the impaired group suffering from illness caused by the toxin, and some of these would die later on a few hours after exposure, some even a few days.
So It is IMPOSSIBLE for your army to mirculously escape from under the tarps, and somehow miraculously suffer no ill effect from inhaling hundredas of thousands of spores.
This is far from realistic. So stop your invincible stance here and suffer the price of War. your army is after all MORTAL. I have not objected to your killing of my ordinators, And Personally you have suffered much more damage than you say you have. So please if you are going to wage war, be realictic and suffer the casualties that would come from these actions.
any way to have Sel join Jonacin?
Sel could see the troops go through along with Jonacin and Sel could run over... would that work? or is it overly simplified?
QUOTE(Soulseeker3.0 @ Dec 22 2005, 02:36 PM)
Sel could see the troops go through along with Jonacin and Sel could run over... would that work? or is it overly simplified?
yeah, I was looking for a non-oversimplified way. I mean, he could run after him or something, but that's highly unlikely, and would never happen.
Maybe Megil could send for him or something? maybe that's oversimplified as well.
(oversimplified has become my favorite word)
I wouldn't send for him. Following Jona seems to most logical path. or he could simply work his way to the frontline.
Ok...Serene will also come, she needs some battle right now.....to much idleness for her! So sheŽll just run after the men....... 
Hehe, everyone wants to follow Jonacin off to war 
QUOTE(LoneWolf @ Dec 22 2005, 09:24 PM)
Hehe, everyone wants to follow Jonacin off to war
SheŽs married to him!.......She has to stand by her man......
Hmm g-modding has a new king Megil. The tarp thing was a real tactic, used by Josephus at the battle of Jotapata when Vespasian invaded Galilee, it was fresh leather, not flamable, and for the most part it only fell under heavy stones. And being fresh leather it wasn't flammable. So with your logic, things that have been proven have no bering on anything very well, i quit this battle,
Also i never said i wasn't loosing many, while you have tried to keep the nonchalant, appearance like every thing you do is superior. Well you won, your extreme god modding destroyed the army. No not your good RPing your aweful RPing. NEVER call me stupid
Also i never said i wasn't loosing many, while you have tried to keep the nonchalant, appearance like every thing you do is superior. Well you won, your extreme god modding destroyed the army. No not your good RPing your aweful RPing. NEVER call me stupid
QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Dec 22 2005, 04:42 PM)
Hmm g-modding has a new king Megil. The tarp thing was a real tactic, used by Josephus at the battle of Jotapata when Vespasian invaded Galilee, it was fresh leather, not flamable, and for the most part it only fell under heavy stones. And being fresh leather it wasn't flammable. So with your logic, things that have been proven have no bering on anything very well, i quit this battle,
Not flamable to normal fires.
These are fireballs were talking here. Things that cause nice soft, wet living tissure to turn to ash very quickly (unless your a dunmer, they're hard to burn by any means). Fireballs have a nasty habbit of turning even the freshest leather tarp to a burning deathtrap.
Though I have to wonder why Megil used 'mushroom spores' when frankly, poison spells could have achieved the same effect. *shrug*
QUOTE(Megil)
Also Aki f you ahd read my posts, the city is entirely silent, everyone has evacuated into the undercity and into safety. there are no citizens on the streets when the goblins break over the wall, especially since it's been like what at least an hour into this battle?
Editted the townsfolk to a but of foolhardy adventurers. 'cause....you know, adventurers have a nasty habit of doing stupid compassion, and I didn't feel compelled to change my post that much.
Yes but his mages aren't anywhere near the camp. they camped quite a ways from the city, so even their catapults wouldn't reach their, i knew that when megil said he was attacking there, but went along with it to not cause arguement
come on guys, no need for arguments over a game. This is just for fun and chill time, no need for insults and the like.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 22 2005, 11:33 PM)
come on guys, no need for arguments over a game. This is just for fun and chill time, no need for insults and the like.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
What Danny said! letŽs have fun and no arguments!......And yes let them two houses have a bit of quarrel.....IŽll have to be on the redoran-side, IŽll be Athyn Sarethi, and then I think the Ashlanders just have to put their noses right into it...
Hey minque, as Athyn, could you have him ask Sel back into House Redoran?
(he quits in the fan fic a little later)
(he quits in the fan fic a little later)
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 22 2005, 11:56 PM)
Hey minque, as Athyn, could you have him ask Sel back into House Redoran?
(he quits in the fan fic a little later)
(he quits in the fan fic a little later)
Sure! no problems....Athyn will recognise him maybe, as being his teacher..hehe....and then naturally want to have him in the house again!
Yeah im sorry Megil, but the battle is over anyway, so there is not need for arguement.
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 22 2005, 05:33 PM)
come on guys, no need for arguments over a game. This is just for fun and chill time, no need for insults and the like.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.
Yeah. Just gotta figure out what kind of incident we want. What would work given both houses' attitudes.
Hmm what about the Telvanni killing former members of the temple or something, i mean they never liked the temple anyway, and i would think that would be a soft spot for Redoran. Also Minque, can you have Serene talk with Florodine, the Molag Mar people haven't done much, and i kinda want Florodine to have something bigger, cause he is named after my character in the game. So since Redoran and Molag Mar used to work together, they could want to reforge an alliance
QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Dec 23 2005, 01:25 AM)
Hmm what about the Telvanni killing former members of the temple or something, i mean they never liked the temple anyway, and i would think that would be a soft spot for Redoran. Also Minque, can you have Serene talk with Florodine, the Molag Mar people haven't done much, and i kinda want Florodine to have something bigger, cause he is named after my character in the game. So since Redoran and Molag Mar used to work together, they could want to reforge an alliance
Ok....I could do that....now at the time being Serene is with Jonacin at some wall somewhere.....but i assume Florodine could come there?
Got to be tomorrow though....very soon bedtime here!
Okay guys, I hope to reintroduce my characters into the RP tonight. Could someone describe the scene outside New Vivec.
What I really need to know is: Is the battle still going or has it ended?
What I really need to know is: Is the battle still going or has it ended?
Yeah there is a battle, but Dalrus (hlaalu governess of Caldera) Stauros(councelor of hlaalu) and Florodine (Hero and king of Molag mar) have pretty much won it. However you can jump in to take part in the end of the battle and from there do whatever.
Yeah Florodine and the army can accompany them, though the army will be left somewhere
Yeah Florodine and the army can accompany them, though the army will be left somewhere
uh we have Florodine and the Molag Mar army coming fromthe east(?) and the Hlaalu calvary headed by Dalrus working their way twards the Molag Mar army.
then The Hlaalu infantry and archers moving bodies around in the silhouette's old base camp. and the Silhouette's army is attacking the walls of northern vivec....
then The Hlaalu infantry and archers moving bodies around in the silhouette's old base camp. and the Silhouette's army is attacking the walls of northern vivec....
Hmm Sorry, but you need to define what you are doing then.
You said the tarps were "catching" the mushrooms, which would make them in range of the artillery, meaning that you put them over the acting army, as the artillery can't reach your main camp. so my apologies there.
but you were still ignoring everything I did to your army.
You said the tarps were "catching" the mushrooms, which would make them in range of the artillery, meaning that you put them over the acting army, as the artillery can't reach your main camp. so my apologies there.
but you were still ignoring everything I did to your army.
Oh yeah i should have been more clear, i wasnt trying to ignore it, i was just assuming since you said it, i didnt need to repeat it, assuming that the damage was done already, but ill be more clear
as shall I. reading my post I am wondering why the hell i typed it, sounded like such an a*hole -_-
It's alright we both did actually, my post after that was stupid also, but whatever, well foget it
QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Dec 22 2005, 07:25 PM)
Hmm what about the Telvanni killing former members of the temple or something, i mean they never liked the temple anyway, and i would think that would be a soft spot for Redoran. Also Minque, can you have Serene talk with Florodine, the Molag Mar people haven't done much, and i kinda want Florodine to have something bigger, cause he is named after my character in the game. So since Redoran and Molag Mar used to work together, they could want to reforge an alliance
Nah.
Telvanni are kinda 'meh' on the temple. So just killing them seems out of character. Its the temple that dislikes them. Telvanni are isolationist and don't care much about things not pertaining to them.
Wait a minute here, I've been reading the last posts in this planning thread (good idea huh ) and I'm utterly confused by them.
Is everyone on the outside of New Vivec attacking it? Is the Silhouette raiding New Vivec? It seems so, but I can't tell.
Sorry, but I'm lost.
) and I'm utterly confused by them.Is everyone on the outside of New Vivec attacking it? Is the Silhouette raiding New Vivec? It seems so, but I can't tell.
Sorry, but I'm lost.
well the Silhouette is seging Vivec but I guess is almost defeated(for a while) and everyone else is attacking The Silhouette's army...
The solution to this redoran/telvanni dispute is simple now that I think about it; the Telvanni could just figure out that the redoran are helping the ashlanders.
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 23 2005, 08:47 PM)
The solution to this redoran/telvanni dispute is simple now that I think about it; the Telvanni could just figure out that the redoran are helping the ashlanders.
Yeah, but the question is how...
The Redorans are dressed up as and given the weapons of ashlanders when assiting Ashlanders against Telvanni incursions. The only way to identify them might be a retained military air/posture to them, or something of that sort.
Or a deserter, like an ashlander, who thinks they are going to lose so gives himself to the telvanni, telling them what is happening, in hopes that they can have freedom. I mean there is bound to be a few sleeze balls in every race
This doesn't have directly to do with the RP, but what is happening in the rest of the empire, and in Morrowind for that matter?
This doesn't have directly to do with the RP, but what is happening in the rest of the empire, and in Morrowind for that matter?
QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Dec 24 2005, 04:33 AM)
Or a deserter, like an ashlander, who thinks they are going to lose so gives himself to the telvanni, telling them what is happening, in hopes that they can have freedom. I mean there is bound to be a few sleeze balls in every race
This doesn't have directly to do with the RP, but what is happening in the rest of the empire, and in Morrowind for that matter?
This doesn't have directly to do with the RP, but what is happening in the rest of the empire, and in Morrowind for that matter?
Hmm I kinda like that idea! Have to figure out who this deserter is then and what Tribe he belongs to.....
Another thing.....could we assume both Raavin and Athyn Sarethi still are in Vivec? In that case Serene wonŽt have to go to AldŽruhn to get in touch with them....I donŽt remember really where those two guys are anymore.....
Anyway, bedtime here, cya tomorrow!
It would be horribly ironic if it were an ashkhan.
Anyway, davion, I need to know what the deal is with Dimitre. Is he diseased, cursed, possessd? What's going on? What are you planning?
Anyway, davion, I need to know what the deal is with Dimitre. Is he diseased, cursed, possessd? What's going on? What are you planning?
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 28 2005, 08:22 AM)
It would be horribly ironic if it were an ashkhan.
Anyway, davion, I need to know what the deal is with Dimitre. Is he diseased, cursed, possessd? What's going on? What are you planning?
Anyway, davion, I need to know what the deal is with Dimitre. Is he diseased, cursed, possessd? What's going on? What are you planning?
Hmm..I wonŽt have Sedrane to be the deserter anyway!....nope.....
And I agree , davion please tell us.....otherwise Akar and Dahleena will be stuck in the woods for ever.....
Attention!
I have spoken with the One of the Doomed (DoomedOne) and he is no longer participating.
.
I am now controlling Isaarin, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, and Wred. (Until I pass a couple off to someone else.)
So we may commence with planning the war.
I have spoken with the One of the Doomed (DoomedOne) and he is no longer participating.
. I am now controlling Isaarin, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, and Wred. (Until I pass a couple off to someone else.)
So we may commence with planning the war.
Very well, it's good to have Isaarin, since house of hlaalu has been leaderless for a while.
Well.. I guess this makes it a little more complicated.
Yeah. I'm thinking minque can take one of the ashlander leaders, because she knows more about it, and...I haven't decided on who could take Wred. For those who don't know, he's soon to be leader of Isaarin's forces.
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 30 2005, 04:28 AM)
Attention!
I have spoken with the One of the Doomed (DoomedOne) and he is no longer participating. .
I am now controlling Isaarin, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, and Wred. (Until I pass a couple off to someone else.)
So we may commence with planning the war.
I have spoken with the One of the Doomed (DoomedOne) and he is no longer participating.
. I am now controlling Isaarin, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, and Wred. (Until I pass a couple off to someone else.)
So we may commence with planning the war.
QUOTE(Dantrag @ Dec 30 2005, 05:58 AM)
Yeah. I'm thinking minque can take one of the ashlander leaders, because she knows more about it, and...I haven't decided on who could take Wred. For those who don't know, he's soon to be leader of Isaarin's forces.
Oh dear! Ok Danny IŽll take one of them....preferrably Sul-Matuul since Kaushad is really the father of Sedrane(who I also control)....even though he hasnŽt told his son yet!.....Isaarin you better keep!
So now we can plan the ashlander prticipation.....we have to consider the different alliances to start with....
1. All ashlander tribes are united right?
2. House Redoran supports the ashlanders
3. Florodine want redoran support to his forces.....
4. So Telvanni are standing alone I suppose?
5. The Morag Tong.....hmm AmiliŽs domain right?
Now correct me if IŽm wrong......then we start planning...
Alright, I'll take Kaushad and you take Sul-Matuul.
1. yep
2. yep
3. yep
4. they have morag tong
5.. yep.
Soulseeker and Florodine, I'm sending a messenger to you two soon.
1. yep
2. yep
3. yep
4. they have morag tong
5.. yep.
Soulseeker and Florodine, I'm sending a messenger to you two soon.
okay sounds good, does that messanger know were we are?
megil has mind powers?
I guess so, Megil can do anything he wants, He is Ruler of Vivec
Didn't you know . . Megil is just like the female version of Serene . .
That was a joke. No murdering permitted.
That was a joke. No murdering permitted.
Megil has had mind powers O.o guess AMU is long forgotten *lol* If you recall he was helping Serene when they tried to pry into Niran's mind and stendarr went ballistic.
Ok....more assumptions, and questions:
1. Athyn Sarethi and Raavin are in Vivec at the moment?
2. Ashlander tribes are gathering forces at Zergonipal, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, Sedrane are having some planning-meeting.....
3. The Erabenimsun-ashkan....who is he? I have forgot IŽm afraid!
4. Are we going to introduce that deserter, i.e a random ashlander who will go to Telvanni, and who wants to control him?
5. Will kaushad reveal to Sedrane that heŽs his father?
So what do you say?
1. Athyn Sarethi and Raavin are in Vivec at the moment?
2. Ashlander tribes are gathering forces at Zergonipal, Sul-Matuul, Kaushad, Sedrane are having some planning-meeting.....
3. The Erabenimsun-ashkan....who is he? I have forgot IŽm afraid!
4. Are we going to introduce that deserter, i.e a random ashlander who will go to Telvanni, and who wants to control him?
5. Will kaushad reveal to Sedrane that heŽs his father?
So what do you say?
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