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QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jun 3 2018, 09:25 PM) 
Listen, I absolutely fricking loved this questline and all the sidequests. Haven't found any hints to what's happening next, but there's still a lot to explore. Anyways, one last thing before I shut up about it for a while:
Golden Knight, to Eolan: Thanks, you're always straight with me!
Eolan, who crushed on him from the start: *sweats*
Bahahaha!
Eolan's adopting another child to help ease the pain after the outcome of the Summerset questline. He is strongly considering naming the cat
QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jun 11 2018, 11:03 PM)
Eolan's adopting another child to help ease the pain after the outcome of the Summerset questline. He is strongly considering naming the cat
I really do like how they bring in your main ally from your alliance to do these DLC quests!
Ooh, congrats on the long-eared cat! I need to get over there and farm for my own pet cat!
QUOTE(mALX @ Jun 12 2018, 09:54 AM)
I really do like how they bring in your main ally from your alliance to do these DLC quests!
Ooh, congrats on the long-eared cat! I need to get over there and farm for my own pet cat!
Yeah! Especially since it was a plot thread left hanging since the base game. I'm glad it was finally adressed, and tbh? I'm pleased with how they handled the whole timey-wimey thing. There's someone like Jo'zira in the actual game canon!
I love Psijic Portals
Would have lost my mind if there was a motif in there, too.
QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Jun 17 2018, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE(mALX @ Jun 12 2018, 09:54 AM)
I really do like how they bring in your main ally from your alliance to do these DLC quests!
Ooh, congrats on the long-eared cat! I need to get over there and farm for my own pet cat!
Yeah! Especially since it was a plot thread left hanging since the base game. I'm glad it was finally adressed, and tbh? I'm pleased with how they handled the whole timey-wimey thing. There's someone like Jo'zira in the actual game canon!
I love Psijic Portals
Would have lost my mind if there was a motif in there, too.
I just discovered yesterday that I got a Hakeijo in one too! I didn't see it at the time, but found it in my inventory last night, and it is the only place I could have gotten one! I've been hunting those Psijic portals to find jewelry with the new traits to research.
Moving the discussion of non-Summerset Jewelry crafting issues here.
If you don't have Summerset, your characters can still mine the mats - or at least, some of them. You'll only get Pewter dust, Copper dust, and Platinum dust.
Any character can mine Pewter, because that matches their crafting level, which is stuck at zero. Those below level 26 will mine it for the other half of their split, because the playing level gives you Pewter, too. Champion levels over 160 give you Platinum half the time. The only other situation is a character between 26 and 50, who will get half copper.
In principle, the other mats are obtainable, but only if your CP level is between 10 and 150, which is a brief state for an account. Summerset-owning users will see them as their crafters advance, as that half of the haul.
It appears that you can get refined ounces as drops or rewards (because I have), but expect them to be rare. Since you can't activate the crsfting stations, you can't refine them yourself. You also can't decon rings or amulets, to get anything that way, so you probably will never see the jewel trait materials, as they come from refining and deconstruction. The same applies for the platings.
Pewter will be more than half of your jewelry mats. Each character gather 50% Pewter, and some get it for the other half as well. The rest get copper or platinum, with the switch at Champion level. Copper will be in the most demand, as more people will need it, and fewer will gather it. That might make its price higher?
Ochre is the furnishing jewelry material. You'll get it with the dust from time to time, and it will be useless without access to the crafting stations. Probably not very valuable, on a par with heartwood, bast etc.
If you don't have Summerset, your characters can still mine the mats - or at least, some of them. You'll only get Pewter dust, Copper dust, and Platinum dust.
Any character can mine Pewter, because that matches their crafting level, which is stuck at zero. Those below level 26 will mine it for the other half of their split, because the playing level gives you Pewter, too. Champion levels over 160 give you Platinum half the time. The only other situation is a character between 26 and 50, who will get half copper.
In principle, the other mats are obtainable, but only if your CP level is between 10 and 150, which is a brief state for an account. Summerset-owning users will see them as their crafters advance, as that half of the haul.
It appears that you can get refined ounces as drops or rewards (because I have), but expect them to be rare. Since you can't activate the crsfting stations, you can't refine them yourself. You also can't decon rings or amulets, to get anything that way, so you probably will never see the jewel trait materials, as they come from refining and deconstruction. The same applies for the platings.
Pewter will be more than half of your jewelry mats. Each character gather 50% Pewter, and some get it for the other half as well. The rest get copper or platinum, with the switch at Champion level. Copper will be in the most demand, as more people will need it, and fewer will gather it. That might make its price higher?
Ochre is the furnishing jewelry material. You'll get it with the dust from time to time, and it will be useless without access to the crafting stations. Probably not very valuable, on a par with heartwood, bast etc.
So I recently finished my run of the entirety of Summerset's quests with all four of my main characters and I can now honestly say it's even better than Vvardenfell just by having a main quest that's just as interesting as the side content.
Summerset, Morrowind, and Main/Alliance Quest spoilers beyond this point (along with fan wank, you have been warned)
Regarding the main quest itself, while I'm still very, VERY bitter about losing the original concept for Alinor, I genuinely did enjoy what we ended up getting, and a little headcanon goes a long way, at least for the visuals. (Some things, like the function of the Crystal Tower, might need a little more work to reconcile)
I mentioned that for the first time since the end of the Alliance/Coldharbour questline I actually...felt the impact of the story? I suppose that it helps that quite a few loose ends left by the original main quest and the current arc were tied up, whether or not they were done well.
Then there's quite a few of my personal theories and headcanons that were suddenly made canon or had an example in official lore which made me absolutely giddy. And as always, the game even threw a few parallels for what my characters were going through, which is always a plus. (It could mean nothing, it could mean that the writers foresaw how people would react up to this point, but man, this entire chapter's writing resonated with me deeply.)
Anyways, on to specific examples with spoilers hidden with the content they spoil specified.
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: On the Big Bad
Summerset Endgame/Base Game Main Quest/Daggerfall Covenant Questline Spoilers
Summerset Endgame/Morrowind Spoilers: On Nocturnal's Earl
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: On the New Characters
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: Crystal-Like-Law
I think that's all I wanted to cover? Once again, loved the Chapter. Almost done with what I wanted to do.
Summerset, Morrowind, and Main/Alliance Quest spoilers beyond this point (along with fan wank, you have been warned)
Regarding the main quest itself, while I'm still very, VERY bitter about losing the original concept for Alinor, I genuinely did enjoy what we ended up getting, and a little headcanon goes a long way, at least for the visuals. (Some things, like the function of the Crystal Tower, might need a little more work to reconcile)
I mentioned that for the first time since the end of the Alliance/Coldharbour questline I actually...felt the impact of the story? I suppose that it helps that quite a few loose ends left by the original main quest and the current arc were tied up, whether or not they were done well.
Then there's quite a few of my personal theories and headcanons that were suddenly made canon or had an example in official lore which made me absolutely giddy. And as always, the game even threw a few parallels for what my characters were going through, which is always a plus. (It could mean nothing, it could mean that the writers foresaw how people would react up to this point, but man, this entire chapter's writing resonated with me deeply.)
Anyways, on to specific examples with spoilers hidden with the content they spoil specified.
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: On the Big Bad
Summerset Endgame/Base Game Main Quest/Daggerfall Covenant Questline Spoilers
Summerset Endgame/Morrowind Spoilers: On Nocturnal's Earl
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: On the New Characters
Summerset Endgame Spoilers: Crystal-Like-Law
I think that's all I wanted to cover? Once again, loved the Chapter. Almost done with what I wanted to do.
Completed Summerset now, so here is my final impression. MILD STORY SPOILERS AHEAD.
First, location. Both Summerset and Artaeum look fantastic, and fit in well with the rest of the world. Summerset especially feels lively and vibrant, with plenty to see. The architecture in the cities is wonderful, and the ancient ruins dotted around the landscape give the whole place a real sense of history. There's very little empty space, and the wilderness areas are packed with trees and plants and streams. The little Daedric locations throughout the main story were also quite striking, and really spiced things up.
Story. Not bad! It's interesting, has a decent amount of lore mixed in, and some nice enough characters. I'm kind of tired of this daedra storyline (it started, what, at the end of Orsinium?) so I'm glad we seem to be more or less finished with it. I thought Sotha Sil in particular played a great role here, and continues to be one of my favourite characters in the game. I completed the main story as Haa-Rei, but may go through again as Cirinwe if I have time.
Side quests. Really really enjoyed them here, as good if not better than the high standards elsewhere in the game. They fill in bits of lore about Summerset and the Altmer people, while presenting multiple views of their society. Particularly enjoyed the quests with the Hulkynd and the acting troupe - I did the side quests as Cirinwe, and it's given me about 1000 different ideas for things to write about and include in her general headcanon.
I think the writers could have gone a little lighter on the 'Altmer are arrogant and dislike foreigners' thing because it started getting a little stale after a while, though good on them for having lots of different dialogue for Altmer characters. Next time, add more [INTIMIDATE] dialogue options so Cirinwe can remind people of their manners.
Overall, pretty good. Better than Morrowind, but I think I prefer the smaller DLCs to these big chapter/expansion/things.
First, location. Both Summerset and Artaeum look fantastic, and fit in well with the rest of the world. Summerset especially feels lively and vibrant, with plenty to see. The architecture in the cities is wonderful, and the ancient ruins dotted around the landscape give the whole place a real sense of history. There's very little empty space, and the wilderness areas are packed with trees and plants and streams. The little Daedric locations throughout the main story were also quite striking, and really spiced things up.
Story. Not bad! It's interesting, has a decent amount of lore mixed in, and some nice enough characters. I'm kind of tired of this daedra storyline (it started, what, at the end of Orsinium?) so I'm glad we seem to be more or less finished with it. I thought Sotha Sil in particular played a great role here, and continues to be one of my favourite characters in the game. I completed the main story as Haa-Rei, but may go through again as Cirinwe if I have time.
Side quests. Really really enjoyed them here, as good if not better than the high standards elsewhere in the game. They fill in bits of lore about Summerset and the Altmer people, while presenting multiple views of their society. Particularly enjoyed the quests with the Hulkynd and the acting troupe - I did the side quests as Cirinwe, and it's given me about 1000 different ideas for things to write about and include in her general headcanon.
I think the writers could have gone a little lighter on the 'Altmer are arrogant and dislike foreigners' thing because it started getting a little stale after a while, though good on them for having lots of different dialogue for Altmer characters. Next time, add more [INTIMIDATE] dialogue options so Cirinwe can remind people of their manners.
Overall, pretty good. Better than Morrowind, but I think I prefer the smaller DLCs to these big chapter/expansion/things.
Thanks for the update, haz. I agree that Summerset is beautiful and compares nicely to Auridon with a couple exceptions - a higher density of 'nuisance critters' to interfere with the gorgeous scenery and there's a bit too much 'cliff-channeling' (hard to get where you want) for me. I found the quests well-written and often included many wonderful bits of humor. Enjoy!
One thing I really enjoyed about Summerset is the sly humor that quite often surfaces when speaking to the Aldmer NPCs - it's almost as if they are poking fun at their rather stratified society and restrictive culture. It's sly, it's subtle, and it makes me chuckle and even view Altmer/Aldmer in a different light. Now having played Summerset with my Julian, I am giving serious consideration to starting an Altmer toon - which would be my first, as my third AD character.
Updated my thoughts on the expansion. Going to go through the story again with Ciri to see what's different.
QUOTE(hazmick @ Sep 15 2018, 01:43 PM)
Completed Summerset now, so here is my final impression. MILD STORY SPOILERS AHEAD.
First, location. Both Summerset and Artaeum look fantastic, and fit in well with the rest of the world. Summerset especially feels lively and vibrant, with plenty to see. The architecture in the cities is wonderful, and the ancient ruins dotted around the landscape give the whole place a real sense of history. There's very little empty space, and the wilderness areas are packed with trees and plants and streams. The little Daedric locations throughout the main story were also quite striking, and really spiced things up.
Story. Not bad! It's interesting, has a decent amount of lore mixed in, and some nice enough characters. I'm kind of tired of this daedra storyline (it started, what, at the end of Orsinium?) so I'm glad we seem to be more or less finished with it. I thought Sotha Sil in particular played a great role here, and continues to be one of my favourite characters in the game. I completed the main story as Haa-Rei, but may go through again as Cirinwe if I have time.
Side quests. Really really enjoyed them here, as good if not better than the high standards elsewhere in the game. They fill in bits of lore about Summerset and the Altmer people, while presenting multiple views of their society. Particularly enjoyed the quests with the Hulkynd and the acting troupe - I did the side quests as Cirinwe, and it's given me about 1000 different ideas for things to write about and include in her general headcanon.
I think the writers could have gone a little lighter on the 'Altmer are arrogant and dislike foreigners' thing because it started getting a little stale after a while, though good on them for having lots of different dialogue for Altmer characters. Next time, add more [INTIMIDATE] dialogue options so Cirinwe can remind people of their manners.
Overall, pretty good. Better than Morrowind, but I think I prefer the smaller DLCs to these big chapter/expansion/things.
I agree with everything you said here, that is how it came across to me too! I haven't finished all the side quests yet, but plan to soon. Also plan to bring my other characters through the Psijic line to get more of them seeing the awesome Psijic Portals!
QUOTE(Acadian @ Sep 15 2018, 02:46 PM)
Thanks for the update, haz. I agree that Summerset is beautiful and compares nicely to Auridon with a couple exceptions - a higher density of 'nuisance critters' to interfere with the gorgeous scenery and there's a bit too much 'cliff-channeling' (hard to get where you want) for me. I found the quests well-written and often included many wonderful bits of humor. Enjoy!
Yes, the injections of humor in Summerset were some of my favorite parts about the quests!
QUOTE(haute ecole rider @ Sep 16 2018, 01:22 PM)
One thing I really enjoyed about Summerset is the sly humor that quite often surfaces when speaking to the Aldmer NPCs - it's almost as if they are poking fun at their rather stratified society and restrictive culture. It's sly, it's subtle, and it makes me chuckle and even view Altmer/Aldmer in a different light. Now having played Summerset with my Julian, I am giving serious consideration to starting an Altmer toon - which would be my first, as my third AD character.
Now that you mention it, I might bring Pia over there and see how the dialogue differs if you are playing an Altmer, lol.
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