Even though in TES:IV our goal (Or the one we know) is place the lost heir on the throne, in doing so ending the flood of monsters from Oblivion. Correct?

Well who here thinks that maybe even finding the heir will not stop the possible collapse of the empire?

I say the empire is doomed after this

I think there will be a huge change in the empire (Example, no more shape shifters of doplegangers) but not the fall of the main ideal. Like, I belive it will lose alot of power, but not die out.

I bet you turn out to be the heir, it just takes hours of gameplay to find out for sure... lol.

Humm that is possible but if that is the case then how do you journey on in the game after you beat the mq

Wouldn't the game end early if the PC was the heir?

Anyway, I think that the Empire would be close to collapsing, but not all of the way. Maybe lose quite a bit of power, or maybe there will be a rebellion and some chaos until we find the heir. Then, when the heir is found, the Empire will be shaky, but will still back on its feet. At least, that is what I think. :ashamed:

Maybe I'm wrong, now that I think about it. Because ifthe PC is the heir, then you would have to be an imperial...

Yeah, not only that but it would end to quick. Umm I think it will be something else to the extent of the heir but also alot of time trying to find um. Althought that is what the game is all about and that is why I can't wait.

The PC definitely cannot be heir. For starters he would have to be Imperial. Besides, we know who the heir is - he's the guy with the sword in the trailer, it was confirmed by MSFD.

Me, I strongly believe that the Empire will collapse. We are pretty sure we're coming into a new Era and the prophecies we know of all point towards the fall of the Empire. Also, the Empire seems fairly unstable anyway - like any other empire its falling apart of its own accord, the Daedroth are just accelerating it.

The player could be the Heir. Crossbreeding in TES could make that true, since the offspring ends up looking like its mother's race.

The only race that couldn't perhaps be the Heir would be the Khajiit or the Argonians, since it is not sure whether or not men/mer can have offspring together with the betmer/beast races.

Anyway, it was already confirmed that you are not the Heir.


My own take on the end is that there will be changes, big ones. In the First and Third Era the Empire was strong, in the Second it was weaker.

To me it seems like the Empire will enter another stage where its strengths and forces are not what they used to be. Other provinces could see the trouble in the Empire as a chance to gain more more.

Or then the Fourth Era will bring us an Akaviri invasion, or perhaps the return of the Sload.

Or perhaps the Empire is doomed after all, and the Daedra will actually be able to destroy most of Cyrodiil, perhaps even most of Tamriel. This would make an interesting beginning for TESV.

[quote=Rane]
Or then the Fourth Era will bring us an Akaviri invasion, or perhaps the return of the Sload.

Or perhaps the Empire is doomed after all, and the Daedra will actually be able to destroy most of Cyrodiil, perhaps even most of Tamriel. This would make an interesting beginning for TESV.[/quote]

Ooh, ooh! Akaviri invasion sounds awesome!

Why the return of the Sload? I mean, aren't they able to come on their own, already? I thought they could come and go (teleport) as they liked, though many people would hate their guts.

They could come back at any time, but Imperials pretty much have marked them as enemies. Plus they don't seel to have much of a fighting chance (They're like, 700 pounds each).

But an akaviri invasion would be cool. But do monkey people stand a chance against the equally stealthy and agile Khajiit? But the snow giants would be a biiiiiiig problem. I can see it now: "Help me! Help me! The igloo people are attacking!".

[quote=Red]
But an akaviri invasion would be cool. But do monkey people stand a chance against the equally stealthy and agile Khajiit? But the snow giants would be a biiiiiiig problem. I can see it now: "Help me! Help me! The igloo people are attacking!".[/quote]

Ack, it's Frosty!

Oh, and don't forget the vampiric snake-peoples!

Seriously, though. I think the Empire is not going to collapse completely... just become something different, is all.

[quote=Red]They could come back at any time, but Imperials pretty much have marked them as enemies. Plus they don't seel to have much of a fighting chance (They're like, 700 pounds each).

But an akaviri invasion would be cool. But do monkey people stand a chance against the equally stealthy and agile Khajiit? But the snow giants would be a biiiiiiig problem. I can see it now: "Help me! Help me! The igloo people are attacking!".[/quote]

I'd be more afraid of the Ka Po' Tun (Tiger folk), Tosh'Raka (The Tiger-Dragon lead of the Ka Po' Tun), and the Tsaesci (Snake-folk). They're more organized, and skilled.

I think the biggest change to the empire will be the loss of Morrowind. Personally, I think that if any provinces are going to rebel, Morrowind will do it first. I also think that Orvas Dren will have something to do with it as well.

Morrowind will almost certainly break free, as the Legions will be recalled to Cyrodil. Hammerfell might do the same, but i'm not too sure about that one. Kinda fuzzy about that

I sincerely hope that everything you're saying is false. The Elder Scrolls is Tamriel. Tamriel is Cyrodill, Hammerfell, High Rock, Summerset Isle, Skyrim, Valenwood, Morrowind, Black Marsh, and Ellyswyre. Allowing any of those separate lands to break apart would completely ruin and change The Elder Scrolls lore.

Also, introducing the other continents outside Tamriel would be a big mistake. I'm already a bit weary of the fact that they finally introduced the true oblivion. If Bethesda wanted to make a game based on events outside of Tamriel, sure. But they should make it an Elder Scrolls Adventures game rather than a game fitting into the series of Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind, and Oblivion, because those games are and should be all about Tamriel.

As for the subject of another weak Era-- no. Allowing the game's story to be based on minor problems is fine and all (yes, I consider the gates of hell opening and releasing demons around the world to be a minor problem), but making the world a political and environmental mess would ruin the game. In Morrowind, I never did like playing through a baren, burned looking environment. And making the continent of Tamriel a less prosperous, or even chaotic place would ruin the game.


Summary: The Empire will NOT be destroyed, because Bethedsa is a team of people with common sense.

[quote=Daikirai]I sincerely hope that everything you're saying is false. The Elder Scrolls is Tamriel. Tamriel is Cyrodill, Hammerfell, High Rock, Summerset Isle, Skyrim, Valenwood, Morrowind, Black Marsh, and Ellyswyre. Allowing any of those separate lands to break apart would completely ruin and change The Elder Scrolls lore.[/quote]

The Elder Scrolls is not Tamriel, the Elder Scrolls are an object. What your talking about is merely setting. And there is a bunch of Lore on continents outside of Tamreil. Who said anything about breaking it up?

[quote=Daikirai]Also, introducing the other continents outside Tamriel would be a big mistake. I'm already a bit weary of the fact that they finally introduced the true oblivion. If Bethesda wanted to make a game based on events outside of Tamriel, sure. But they should make it an Elder Scrolls Adventures game rather than a game fitting into the series of Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind, and Oblivion, because those games are and should be all about Tamriel.[/quote]

Why should they be about Tamriel? Why not Nirn? Times change, story's change, what people want change. I think theirs a healthy amount of people that would love to see (excuse my spelling) Tscaeci culture and what not. Way more than those that don't want to see the story go anywhere

[quote=Daikirai]As for the subject of another weak Era-- no. Allowing the game's story to be based on minor problems is fine and all (yes, I consider the gates of hell opening and releasing demons around the world to be a minor problem), but making the world a political and environmental mess would ruin the game. In Morrowind, I never did like playing through a baren, burned looking environment. And making the continent of Tamriel a less prosperous, or even chaotic place would ruin the game.[/quote]

That right their would open the gates for a BETTER game. Political intruige at its greatest. Problems to be solved by the hero. No one ever said the world would always be green.. (doh)


[quote=Daikirai]Summary: The Empire will NOT be destroyed, because Bethedsa is a team of people with common sense.[/quote]

Summary: The Empire will NOT/MAYBE/SHOULD be destroyed

I'm glad you don't work for Beth or they would of gone bankrupt a long time ago..

And please, the lore has been changed more times then you obviously realize. So ADDING to the lore is very acceptable

What is the Elder Scrolls, by the way? I thought they were some sort of scrolls that tell about legends and happenings in Nirn or something? :ashamed: I'm still unclear about what the Elder Scrolls really are...

I think they're some kind of prophetic scrolls that contain knowledge of everything that was, is and will be

[quote=MerGirl]What is the Elder Scrolls, by the way? I thought they were some sort of scrolls that tell about legends and happenings in Nirn or something? :ashamed: I'm still unclear about what the Elder Scrolls really are...[/quote]

From Nigedo's FAQ from the Lore Official Forum:

"These powerful tools of prophecy and divination, the prize of the Empire, tell of every event that ever has or will have happened. The Cyrodiilic Moth priests, who are their keepers, invoke the Elder Scrolls by ritually attuning them to a specific time or space and attempt to interpret the glyphs that form upon their surface.

The Scrolls are believed to be kept in the Imperial City and may be stored in the Hall Of Records, which may form part of the Imperial Palace.

The Moth priests belong to a monastic order founded by Tiber Septim and dedicated to the god Julianos, the Cyrodiilic Divine whose sphere is 'literature, law, history, and contradiction'."

(that was from TIL)

That bbrings up the question.. If the empire should fall, what would happen to the elder scrolls?

either be hidden by the priests to prevent them from getting into the wrong hands. or perhaps they are destroyed %!) if that is indeed possible.

Where can i go to read the lore of morrowind and daggerfall and the other games?

Did you try the Imperial Library?

Umm, it wouldn't really matter if the elder scrolls fell into the wrong hands because very few (like, 10ish) can read them. And they aren't even able to read them very well.

Maybe you can become a member of the order and read the scrolls! That would be so.cool.

You're not listening to me, Mr. Channler. It doesn't matter what The Elder Scrolls themselves are-- hell, they've never even appeared in the game(s). The setting for TES is Tamriel. Not Nirn, not any other continent. Tamriel. Involving the other continents would only serve to complicate the game and take away from the fun.

And, I really don't understand why you -want- Tamriel to be a political catastrophy. TES is not a puzzle, quiz, or brain game. I'd rather be a stealthy rogue thief than a politician any day.

I'm glad you don't work for Bethesda, or else, all the games would suck.

TES is set in Nirn, that's why they have lore for other continents. Not just Tamriel

[quote=Daikirai]You're not listening to me, Mr. Channler. It doesn't matter what The Elder Scrolls themselves are-- hell, they've never even appeared in the game(s). The setting for TES is Tamriel. Not Nirn, not any other continent. Tamriel. Involving the other continents would only serve to complicate the game and take away from the fun.

And, I really don't understand why you -want- Tamriel to be a political catastrophy. TES is not a puzzle, quiz, or brain game. I'd rather be a stealthy rogue thief than a politician any day.

I'm glad you don't work for Bethesda, or else, all the games would suck.[/quote]

What's wrong with political catastrophe? It's a video game, and it makes for something different than 'oh, the empire is strong as ever today, don't you think, dear?'

And the setting of TES is more than one of the continents that were made into the TES LORE.

Are you content to just play in the same place in every TES game? Tamriel will run out of space sooner or later. Don't you think being able to travel to a different continent would be fun, cool, different? Read up on Akavir, and tell me it wouldn't be fun to visit there.

I'm glad YOU don't work for bethesda.

[quote=Daikirai]You're not listening to me, Mr. Channler. It doesn't matter what The Elder Scrolls themselves are-- hell, they've never even appeared in the game(s). The setting for TES is Tamriel. Not Nirn, not any other continent. Tamriel. Involving the other continents would only serve to complicate the game and take away from the fun.

And, I really don't understand why you -want- Tamriel to be a political catastrophy. TES is not a puzzle, quiz, or brain game. I'd rather be a stealthy rogue thief than a politician any day.

I'm glad you don't work for Bethesda, or else, all the games would suck.[/quote]

TES: Morrowind = THE ELDER SCROLLS: Morrowind..

See the only reason theur are these prophecy's and what not are because of the scrolls.. to screw the scrolls would be to tamper with the ability to understand the future (past and present)

Where has anyone said the TES was just tamriel...? What the point of all the lore if TES is just tameriel?

Sorry if I sounded mean or rude in my previous post - don't want to sound like a flamer.

Though I still stand by what I siad, hence, I didn't edit.

Indeed Channler. The Empire will collapse sooner or later. Who would want to buy a game where all you did was replay the same events in the same locations with the same strong empire? The Emire will collapse over the next few Elder Scrolls games, we've known that since Dagger fall. The Empire is full of dople gangers, spies, shape shifters ect, which doesn't make for a strong political structure. Imagine if your mayor was reletives of spies, liars, backstabbers, shape shifters, dopple gangers and seducers. How long do you think your city would run without any problems?

[quote=Daikirai]And, I really don't understand why you -want- Tamriel to be a political catastrophy. TES is not a puzzle, quiz, or brain game. I'd rather be a stealthy rogue thief than a politician any day.[/quote]

Well, let's face it, in all of the TES games you have been able to be anyone you like, despite the main quest. Is it likely that Nerevar reborn would be a stealthy thief? Still, it was made likely by a nice twitch of events. If Tamriel were to be separated into several independant provinces and chaos would erupt, what better and natural a place to have a rogue/thief in? All of the character classes would have their challenges in this sort of a game: warriors would look for treasure if they were plunderers or try to keep peace and defend their lords if they were noble; mages would either try to keep common sense and maybe preserve the Elder Scrolls themselves or profit from the situation. Thieves could well be the ones with biggest role in such a political mess. If you remember back in Morrowind, were the so-called Thief House Hlaalu pulled many strings and was one of the most important intrigue web spinners, we can say that of the three character classes, the Thief is the one with closest abilities to those of a politician.

[quote=Kuukulgur][quote=Daikirai]And, I really don't understand why you -want- Tamriel to be a political catastrophy. TES is not a puzzle, quiz, or brain game. I'd rather be a stealthy rogue thief than a politician any day.[/quote]

Well, let's face it, in all of the TES games you have been able to be anyone you like, despite the main quest. Is it likely that Nerevar reborn would be a stealthy thief? Still, it was made likely by a nice twitch of events. If Tamriel were to be separated into several independant provinces and chaos would erupt, what better and natural a place to have a rogue/thief in? All of the character classes would have their challenges in this sort of a game: warriors would look for treasure if they were plunderers or try to keep peace and defend their lords if they were noble; mages would either try to keep common sense and maybe preserve the Elder Scrolls themselves or profit from the situation. Thieves could well be the ones with biggest role in such a political mess. If you remember back in Morrowind, were the so-called Thief House Hlaalu pulled many strings and was one of the most important intrigue web spinners, we can say that of the three character classes, the Thief is the one with closest abilities to those of a politician. [/quote]

You like theives dont you

Yep. How'd you guess?
Well, the sneaky and deceiving kind of way is the politician way as well as thief way. Fighters go for force and nobility, mages for knowledge. That's just how it works...

Me thinks that some of the people here at the Waiting4Oblivion forums are forgeting that The Elder Scrolls are only game(s).

[quote=Daikirai]Me thinks that some of the people here at the Waiting4Oblivion forums are forgeting that The Elder Scrolls are only game(s).[/quote]

Umm, are you forgeting that you started an arguement about the Elder Scrolls? Also, please don't insult people when they speak their opinion. Discussion is okay, but saying that if we worked for Bethesda the games would suck and that we don't know a game from real life is unnecisary.

[quote=Red]
Discussion is okay, but saying that if we worked for Bethesda the games would suck and that we don't know a game from real life is unnecisary.[/quote]

Um well.. I kinda told him that I wouldn't want him workin for beth..

As did I.

But in you did it respectfully, not OMG!!11 IF U WRKED FOR BETH TEH GAMES
WOULD SU><><0RZ!!!11!!1111

No, they did that. They edited the posts afterwards to fool you.

[quote=Konradude]No, they did that. They edited the posts afterwards to fool you. [/quote]

I didn't.

I think he was messing

So, is this about the End of the Empire or will there perhaps be an End to the Thread.

Id go witht he second one if... You people don't get back on topic! Driving me crazy :eek: .

Just be good and play nice.

I think it is pretty much wrapped up, but that's just me.

[quote=Red]Umm, are you forgeting that you started an arguement about the Elder Scrolls? Also, please don't insult people when they speak their opinion. Discussion is okay, but saying that if we worked for Bethesda the games would suck and that we don't know a game from real life is unnecisary.[/quote]

Moderator now are ya?

Anyway, back on topic - I have no idea what the whole end of the empire thing is about. Bethesda make game, me play game. Me no care if empire go bye-bye, just me want play game!

[quote=Red][quote=Daikirai]Me thinks that some of the people here at the Waiting4Oblivion forums are forgeting that The Elder Scrolls are only game(s).[/quote]

Umm, are you forgeting that you started an arguement about the Elder Scrolls? Also, please don't insult people when they speak their opinion. Discussion is okay, but saying that if we worked for Bethesda the games would suck and that we don't know a game from real life is unnecisary.[/quote]

*I* started an argument? I merely posted my opinion, which you seem to think I should respect yours, and my opinion offended you. Grow up, hypocrite.

Rane, close this.

Well lookie at that...you didn't start it! Maybe we still want to talk about it, don't act like head honcho please!

So wouldn't all races be killed if the empire fell? Then there'd be no game!

Right. It just keeps going in the wrong direction.

I'll just put this thread to sleep then.