Last night i was a bit drunk i got all philosophic about games, specially how rpgs affect us, i mean are we like other people ? we always have a dragon, an elf, swords and magic in our mind, others dont.

Do you people think rpgs make us more creative ? more violent ? less social ?..... you get the idea.

Peronally i think they make us much more creative than the average folk.

[quote=Eldar]
Peronally i think they make us much more creative than the average folk.[/quote]

Well, it depends on the RPG. Some RPG's hold your hand a little too much.

I think RPG's make people aware of taking a 'role' and learn more about how a simple game can a world seem alive. RPG gamers, I think, are more aware of plot and characters.

However, some RPG's have really flat and cliche'd characters, so some people grow to like those cliche's, so that can be a bad thing.

It really depends on the person, too.

Yes it does depend on the person, but i am refering to rpgs in general, not just one.

I would say creative, though in a lot of cases it is anti-social. I'd say it's 50/50 between those two.

I actualy know a lot of new vocabulary words from playing RPG's as well as from reading books...

[quote=Eldar]Last night i was a bit drunk i got all philosophic about games, specially how rpgs affect us, i mean are we like other people ? we always have a dragon, an elf, swords and magic in our mind, others dont.

Do you people think rpgs make us more creative ? more violent ? less social ?..... you get the idea.

Peronally i think they make us much more creative than the average folk.[/quote]

Ever played EQ?

Here is what it makes me:

A lazy nerd who never leaves his computer.

Actually, RPGs haven't had a big effect on me, in fact from playing them I have become more social, as in talkative.

[quote=gamer10]

A lazy nerd who never leaves his computer.

[/quote]

Well during the summer thats me... When life starts *cough* school *cough* then I start to return to my normal preppy stereotype...

Yeah, and I have to study like crazy . .to retain my perfect grades.

Well there once a time when I had perect grades... umm that was like in Kindergarden

Actually, I think RPG's have had a great effect on my life. They've taught me to be more bold and to speak my mind, and I know people who learned to read and spell from RPG's.

hmm RPG's are just awesome. good way to getting into a wordlwide community and making friends (or acquaintances) from all over the world. Definetly make you more social, mayb not face to face with people but still communicate with others. They also jsut make life fun

[quote=Red]Actually, I think RPG's have had a great effect on my life. They've taught me to be more bold and to speak my mind, and I know people who learned to read and spell from RPG's.[/quote]

I learned to read by a Zelda game, so is that really so bad? About the topic though, I would not know if they make people more or less social as I am homeschooled and not that social anyway. But I do think they make us more creative, I would have never wrote anykind of fiction was it not for Morrowind.

[quote=Channler][quote=Eldar]Last night i was a bit drunk i got all philosophic about games, specially how rpgs affect us, i mean are we like other people ? we always have a dragon, an elf, swords and magic in our mind, others dont.

Do you people think rpgs make us more creative ? more violent ? less social ?..... you get the idea.

Peronally i think they make us much more creative than the average folk.[/quote]

Ever played EQ?[/quote]
EQ would actually make one MORE social.

You're talking with people around the world.

Creative yes... But I dont think it makes u less sosial, depends on how much u play it thought, if you would rather sit inside and play Morrowind insted of going out with friends or communicate :rofl:

More violent.. Hmm doubt it, at least I dont play much RPG on the computer - but still play D&D with my friends one day a week if possible, if that would make me more violent I would go around throwing dices on people. :evil7:

Well, I don't tend to play a lot of RPGs, it's just that Morrowind was one that I really got into - I think it was probably because Morrowind wasn't so much about one linear story and a set of stock characters, instead it was so much about creating your own character and having the freedom to create your own story. I tend to play strategy games much more often, and I'm sure that these have really helped my decision making, planning, management and tactical skills.

With RPGs, I think that there's a certain amount of imagination needed to play them, so it's really only people who can think in a certain way who will enjoy them in the first place - a lot of people just don't understand how fantasy (be it in books, films, or games) can be interesting. I'm not sure that playing RPGs really affects a person that much, since a lot of any RPG is about the story, so in that sense it's not too different to reading a book, just more interactive.

EDIT: I really doubt that RPGs make people more violent - since you'll be killing magical beasties most of the time it doesn't really relate to the real world .

Anyway, how can RPGs make us less sociable - if it weren't for RPGs, we wouldn't have the W4O community!

Like everyone else, I think RPG's make you more creative and more into characters and stuff. You know, actually caring for the plot kind of deal. I think some RPG's make some people more social (like EQ and Phantasy Star Online).

It really depends on what kind of RPG's you are used to, I guess.

(Oh, I, myself am really ant-social unless I'm with small kids, friends or talking online. With Phantasy Star Online, I play off-line by myself or with my sisters, so yeah, RPG's didn't help my socialness at all.... Maybe if there weren't so many jerks/pervs online, and that they would get rid of the online fees... )

So RPG's= creativity

[quote=MerGirl] and that they would get rid of the online fees... )

[/quote]

Heh, 'Guild Wars' has free online play.

And it can be played offline too. :goodjob:

Rpg's tend to make people play them for a long time before you get really good.

This means that you probably get influenced way more than say a shooter which you can complete in a few hours.

Also you start seeing game characters everywhere. I'm sure that was Fargoth that just walked by.

[quote=Aki]
Heh, 'Guild Wars' has free online play. [/quote]

But there's still those jerks/pervs/etc. still to deal with... I don't trust that whole 'free online' thing. There's got to be a catch. :shocked:

[quote]And it can be played offline too. :goodjob:[/quote]

You serious? But--but I thought it said on the box that internet/online stuff was required.

[quote=MerGirl]Like everyone else, I think RPG's make you more creative and more into characters and stuff. You know, actually caring for the plot kind of deal. I think some RPG's make some people more social (like EQ and Phantasy Star Online).

It really depends on what kind of RPG's you are used to, I guess.

(Oh, I, myself am really ant-social unless I'm with small kids, friends or talking online. With Phantasy Star Online, I play off-line by myself or with my sisters, so yeah, RPG's didn't help my socialness at all.... Maybe if there weren't so many jerks/pervs online, and that they would get rid of the online fees... )

So RPG's= creativity[/quote]
Woot for being anti-social, that's me all over.

[quote=MerGirl][quote=Aki]
Heh, 'Guild Wars' has free online play. [/quote]

But there's still those jerks/pervs/etc. still to deal with... I don't trust that whole 'free online' thing. There's got to be a catch. :shocked:

[quote]And it can be played offline too. :goodjob:[/quote]

You serious? But--but I thought it said on the box that internet/online stuff was required. [/quote]

From what i've read of the manual, i believe that theres offline play. Haven't played yet though, gotta switch out my current crap-tastic computer for a better one, installl it there today. Once i figure that out, i'll inform you.

And as for the jerks/pervs/etc. well, some people are good, some are bad. Just got to learn to avoid the bad ones.

Star Wars Galaxies had this awesome way to deal with them. Throw 'em on 'your 'Ignore list' and none of what they say/emote is hear-able by you. As if suddenly they were muted.

Great way to deal with spammers too.

[quote=Aki][quote=MerGirl][quote=Aki]
Heh, 'Guild Wars' has free online play. [/quote]

But there's still those jerks/pervs/etc. still to deal with... I don't trust that whole 'free online' thing. There's got to be a catch. :shocked:

[quote]And it can be played offline too. :goodjob:[/quote]

You serious? But--but I thought it said on the box that internet/online stuff was required. [/quote]

From what i've read of the manual, i believe that theres offline play. Haven't played yet though, gotta switch out my current crap-tastic computer for a better one, installl it there today. Once i figure that out, i'll inform you.

And as for the jerks/pervs/etc. well, some people are good, some are bad. Just got to learn to avoid the bad ones.

Star Wars Galaxies had this awesome way to deal with them. Throw 'em on 'your 'Ignore list' and none of what they say/emote is hear-able by you. As if suddenly they were muted.

Great way to deal with spammers too. [/quote]

If only it was worthwile to do that on Halo 2... those jerks are the only reason I even got into Morrowind, wait is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I'm definitely very anti-social, but I really doubt that it has anything to do with RPGs. If I didn't play computer games, I'd just do other things like read and play music rather than being sociable - I just don't really like other people that much . To be honest, It's a lot easier to communicate over the internet, since it's much easier to find people with similar interests (for example, it would take me years to find as many people who like TES in real life as there are here) and I'm too lazy to make the effort of actually leaving my house to go and see other people.

Yes, I am the ultimate anti-social nerd. Feel free to mock me

Hehe, why would i do that? you described me almost perfectly lol

[quote=LoneWolf]Hehe, why would i do that? you described me almost perfectly lol [/quote]

Anti-social nerds unite! Our time for world domination is nigh!

i prefer world annihilation, but whatever floats your boat

I will call upon the great Dragons to come and help us fight these pitiful weaklings!

:evil7:

You better not be including me in that sentance... .

[quote=MerGirl]Like everyone else, I think RPG's make you more creative and more into characters and stuff. You know, actually caring for the plot kind of deal. I think some RPG's make some people more social (like EQ and Phantasy Star Online).

It really depends on what kind of RPG's you are used to, I guess.

(Oh, I, myself am really ant-social unless I'm with small kids, friends or talking online. With Phantasy Star Online, I play off-line by myself or with my sisters, so yeah, RPG's didn't help my socialness at all.... Maybe if there weren't so many jerks/pervs online, and that they would get rid of the online fees... )

So RPG's= creativity[/quote]

MMORPG = A Pain In The A**
RPG = Phantasy. And Dreams. Your dreams.
Before Morrowind I never thought that some game will make a serious impact on me, and although I can be a violent player (toward NPC's and everything in-game, general) I always held up the "Live & Let Live" motto... but then MW came and I was just sweeped by it's story, it's atmosphere, it's poetry... it's everything. If it wasn't so I wouldn't be here, typing this, saying that TES 3: Morrowind is probably one of 5 greatest phantasy role playing games ever made by a group of people. I am eternaly grateful to everyone at Bethesda for making it like that; most of the games have some feeling of crudeness and unfinished-ness to them - MW doesen't have that. It is a masterpiece from top to bottom.

p.s.: About that violence remark - I never made a single killing spree in MW and never will - it just wouldn't seem right to me.

uh...........it's spelled fantasy

No it's spelled:


dsgfdhfdhf!

[quote=LoneWolf]uh...........it's spelled fantasy [/quote]
Damn it, man I hav a reputation to uphold... I'm a butcher of teh english language !

oh ok. You're not doing a very good job, that was your only error

Grumble....

My Comp kerploded trying to load the first thingy after character creation in
Guild Wars. Geuss i'll never know.

Bah.

Must. Get. New. Graphics. Card.

I got a whole new sort of life after I was intyroduced to MW from my daughter. At first I just watched my girl(s) play, then I created a charachter and started out...very cautious because all those creatures and things scared the crap out of me.......then I became more and more skilled ..and started playing more massively. So I found the ES forums and now the real fun started, talking to ppl with similar interests....

The next step was reading fan-fic, that ppl honestly wrote stories influenced more or les with the game made me really interested. So I started to think about writing one myself......I was encouraged by some other writers..mostly treydog and so..I started writing .....

This writing have given me a lot, especially knowledge of the english language, oh I was not bad from start but I have improved a lot the last year, and also my creativity has risen quite a bit.......so there´s a lot of benefits with all this in my opinion.... :goodjob:

[quote=minque]I got a whole new sort of life after I was intyroduced to MW from my daughter. At first I just watched my girl(s) play, then I created a charachter and started out...very cautious because all those creatures and things scared the crap out of me.......then I became more and more skilled ..and started playing more massively. So I found the ES forums and now the real fun started, talking to ppl with similar interests....

The next step was reading fan-fic, that ppl honestly wrote stories influenced more or les with the game made me really interested. So I started to think about writing one myself......I was encouraged by some other writers..mostly treydog and so..I started writing .....

This writing have given me a lot, especially knowledge of the english language, oh I was not bad from start but I have improved a lot the last year, and also my creativity has risen quite a bit.......so there´s a lot of benefits with all this in my opinion.... :goodjob:[/quote]
:shocked: You've said crap... and PPL ?! OMG *falls off the chair* Who are you and what have you done to Minque ?!?

[quote=minque]I got a whole new sort of life after I was intyroduced to MW from my daughter. At first I just watched my girl(s) play, then I created a charachter and started out...very cautious because all those creatures and things scared the crap out of me.......then I became more and more skilled ..and started playing more massively. So I found the ES forums and now the real fun started, talking to ppl with similar interests....

The next step was reading fan-fic, that ppl honestly wrote stories influenced more or les with the game made me really interested. So I started to think about writing one myself......I was encouraged by some other writers..mostly treydog and so..I started writing .....

This writing have given me a lot, especially knowledge of the english language, oh I was not bad from start but I have improved a lot the last year, and also my creativity has risen quite a bit.......so there´s a lot of benefits with all this in my opinion.... :goodjob:[/quote]

If you didn't tell us you weren't from an English speaking country, I would have never known.

Yeah, same here. If i diin't know she was from Sweden i could swear she was from an English speaking country

Actually, when my friend went to Sweden, he said most of the people knew basic english.

[quote=Aki]Grumble....

My Comp kerploded trying to load the first thingy after character creation in
Guild Wars. Geuss i'll never know.

Bah.

Must. Get. New. Graphics. Card.[/quote]

Got to work on my other comp.

Okay, it IS online.

On the bright side however, the 'combat' zones (basically, everyhting not a town from what i see) are made so that each player occupies his own one, unless in a group. In which case a group occupies their own area.

Cool, huh?

It also has a ignore function too. So you can ignore jerks, and no kill stealing. Bwahaha.

Yea, I know..

Ima level 20 W/N... ehehe

Personally, games and books (moreso books) teach you a lot of stuff, but I don't think people are influenced by rpg's greatly. Perhaps the game doesn't make you a whole lot more creative, but creative people flock to the game? Cause and effect.

[quote=Leraje]Perhaps the game doesn't make you a whole lot more creative[/quote]

Hehe. Oh yes it does. See all the fan art and fan fiction, all the mods and new models people have created? That's creativity inspired by RPGs for you

EDIT: typo corrected...

[quote=Leraje]Perhaps the game doesn't make you a whole lot more creative, but creative people flock to the game? Cause and effect.[/quote]

That's probably pretty true - it's mainly those who are more creative who enjoy RPGs since those with less creativity/imagination tend to stick with games that give instant enjoyment, and require less attention to storyline and lore. Those who don't have a lot of imagination don't tend to see the allure of a fantasy-styled world, which is the basis of most RPGs.

I think RPGs like Morrowind that involve alot of reading can positively effect young minds with reading and creativity I don't really think it influences adult minds much but that's just my opinion. It's just harder to get the younger audience to like a game that doesn't have constant action and fighting.

Adults could benefit from games like Morrowind even more than children if only they knew how. It could offer them a nice distraction from the hardness of the real everyday life, like a rest from the routine. I know several adults who have been affected by Fantasy RPGs like that.

Good point. Adults benefit the same if not more than children from games. Kids just play as a way to pass time(Usually) and adults generally play for more of a break from the stresses of everyday life I guess.

Yes, a break from stress is one of the big reasons I play. Working in emergency services I tend to get quite a bit of it. Actually recently got one of the fire captains into playing Morrowind. Score another for the TES people of the world. I just happen to bring my xbox with me to work a lot as it gives something to pass the time with us all. Sometimes we're never there and others we're doing next to nothing all day.

Wow this one is old...oh well, yup alot of people play to pass the time and escape the stress of everyday life but I play...well pretty much the same reason. You're an elderscrolls recruiter, thats funny.
Oh yeah, welcome to the site.

Thank ya. Speaking of playing..might go see if I can dig up some action with my Dunmer on Morrowind.