I know i'm kind of jumping ahead and thinking to far into the future, but i want to know what you guys think the next TES will be like, or if you do know then tell me please. I mean like what province do you think it will play in, or what would be a good name for it and how they are gonna improve. Please share your thoughts

Final Scrolls of Elder Fantasy


Those crazy japanese do it again as they combine Final Fantasy with yet another successful american product. Fight alongside your favorite final fantasy characters in yet another completely unimaginative and cliche Final Fantasy product, but this time in the exciting new world of NIRN!

Emperor Cait Sith? Mehrunes Sephiroth? What's not to love!?

How many times can we get away with reusing the same content over and over again? Let's find out!

This will be the final Final Fantasy you'll ever want to play!

Hahahaha! Genius! I'll buy four!

They better proportion Tifa appropriately

Why, even better, she'll be a Khajiit.

I never played Final Fantasy so I cannot join in the revelry concerning that.

But I think that they are going to make sequels for Oblivion, like Tribunal and Bloodmoon were to Morrowind and I think that they picked the centralized province of Cyrodiil, not only because it is the capitol province of the Empire - but because it will be easy access to all the other provinces from Cyrodiil.

Since Morrowind took place in Vvardenfell, and Arena included all of Tamriel and Daggerfall took place in High Rock ... I'm guessing that one of the beast races might get more attention in a sequel. Our beloved khajiits of Elsewyr would be easy to get to from Cyrodiil.
Skyrim is also a likely choice, although it might be alittle too similar to Solstheim Island of Bloodmoon. I would personally like to see the Summerset Isles because they were not actually included in Arena - it was the main continent - and their beautiful glass towers and architecture would be beautiful to see.

But these possible provinces have not yet been soley featured in a TES game or sequel = Skyrim, Hammerfell, Black Marsh, Elsewyr, The Summerset Isles, Valenwood. Valenwood would be cool for a game location too - very different and forested probably.

If it was in Valenwood, we'll likely see cannibals!

Now, that would make things interesting if you were forced with visit a cannibalistic tribe or something.

Really?????? There are cannibals in the Valenwoods?? Howwww delicious .... MmMmMmmmm, roasted Pisces-kabobs! Cant' wait for that!

If I remember my Elder Scrolls lore correctly, primitive Bosmer are cannabilistic.

*star rainbow* The more you know! *star rainbow*

The stargazer man ... "keep on looing (it) up!"

Sorry, that has nothing to do with the next TES game, which I will be happy with being set anywhere ... as long as it comes. {And has some of the extras Morrowind had that Oblivion cut out.)

You mean the letters RP from RPG?

God, Rane you can hit things right on the head!!! Yuppers!

Zing!

Ha, you said it.

You know, as much as I'd wish I will be proven wrong, I fear that the next TES installment will be even more of an action-focused game. Sure, I might be making jokes about how less of a RPG Oblivion is most of the time and point out its failures the rest of time, but I guess what I really should be doing is voicing my opinion, sharing my views and trying to give ideas and constructive criticism somewhere where the developers could read it. Problem is, I'm not even sure where that would be. There was a time I saw the devs drop in at the official forums almost every day, commenting on whatever they felt like. Now, I'd dare to say that we might see a handful dev posts at its most every month.

The devs themselves claim that they do read most of what's being said, but what's the point of that if they do not chime in on the discussions? After all, they were behind the decisions and the integration of all the features and aspects of the game. They could at least give a reason as to why they made certain choices. Further, I'd be very interested in reading what [dev name] would have done differently if given enough time/resources/choice.

Anyway, returning to as to why I've lost pretty much any hope that the constructive criticism aimed at the game (yes, such criticism does exist) would really help the next installment. Looking back at the complaints that were brought up with Morrowind, we now find that some of the flaws of MW were fixed with Oblivion.

One, things are easier to find. Of course, one could question if things really needed to change in this aspect and if it's not too easy to find now (in my opinion, the compass in its current state was a bad decision).

Two, the animations do look better now. The "stick up yer rear" is gone and usually creatures'/NPCs' movement is smooth. Still, this is merely eye-candy, which I don't find to be that important in RPGs.

Three, the ability to become a demi-god at level ~20. Yes, you pretty much became the most powerful entity in the entire game at the middle-levels, leaving little or no challenge for your character. With Ob, we were given level-scaling. A system that really doesn't make any sense. In what world does every being grow stronger at the exact same rate without any limits? Again, a flaw replaced by another flaw.

My point is, to me it seems like the improvements made between MW and OB have either turned into disasters or then they have only helped the series move away from the RPG genre. The quality of the dialogue in Morrowind, the lack of choice/consequence situations and a linear mainquest were all flaws that were brought up with Morrowind, yet I find these in Oblivion, without any visible improvements. If BethSoft continues to focus on improving the more action/adventure-like features of the series then the least they could do is to market their next game as what it is instead of continuing to claim the game to be a RPG.

If you ask me, I'd say we should be expecting either a really bad RPG set in the Summerset Isles, or then a really good action/adventure game where you are taken on a journey to the land of the Altmer.

Lore is out. Simplicity and action is in.

If TES5 is going to be anything like Oblivion in terms of RPGyness, I won't buy it. I've got very little hope it will be better though.

Basically my thoughts on the next Elderscrolls game, I think they took away too much of the roleplaying and made it into an action game with OB and I doubt it will improve. With all the "advancements" the game had I don't think it was nearly as good as Morrowind in terms of the roleplaying experience.

Funny how we can't say what we REALLY think of oblivion, because it would count as flaming or troll-baiting. Regardless, I simply feel that Bethsoft no longer wishes to appeal to the RPers, and wants to make more money, an understandable desire.

Like my signature on the Offical Forums says: "Man, Cyrodiil was a dissapointment; but its good to be back in Vvardenfell."

In other words, Morrowind was great, and I will keep on playing a great game, until my eyes fall out.

Awaits for Rane to delete post...

Why would I delete it? Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and you're free to share them with everyone else on this forum as long as you don't take to using foul language, verbally attacking people who think differently than you or simply stir up things only wishing to cause trouble. If you say the game sucks and list the reasons as to why you feel that way I really have no right to delete your message. Likewise, if you see the game as the world's greatest RPG for whatever reasons, I still have no right to silence you. You'd just find me strongly disagreeing with you if the latter was the case.

So honestly ... how many people think that Morrowind is going to be Bethesda's crown jewel and no other offering either before or after will ever shine as bright? I hope that isn't true, but it is sadly what I expect... but I think they could rouse to another crowning achievement like Morrowind if they wanted to and as someone said - stop wanting money over appealing to RPGers.

Afterall, we are their bread and butter.

As Black Hand stated, I still am playing and modding in Morrowind. Whatever else Beth does or doesn't do, Morrowind is a fantastic game, best RPer there is and nothing will change that. Except a better one

Well, I'd like to see (it's kind of like and expansion pack combined into a new game that is an old game) is something (said previously) that incorperates all of Morrowind (including Vvardenfell as well as mainland Morrowind) into Oblivion, making it possible to go to Morrowind across the border. It should have everything in Morrowind lore as well as everything in the actual game. That'd be so cool... for all you Morrowind lovers and me (OMG, an Oblivion lover!).

Yeh Abu ... I know what you mean. It'd be too too sweet if they could somehow build an engine that somehow would allow you to bridge between and play all their Tamriel games with one continuous character - - - Arena, Daggerfaff, Redguard, Morrowind with both expansions and Oblivion with whatever expansions will come for it.

They did manage to make Arena playable for w2k/wXP using the DosBox ... so maybe a customization of the DosBox could be useful in bridging all the games???

That'd be so awesome that (despite the older, cruder graphics of Arena/Daggerfall/RedGuard) I'd probably never play anything else!!

Hmm, I dont think that an expansion into morrowind is a good idea. I mean, doesnt it sound kind of nostalgic on our part to say "Oblivion Graphics are great, but thats all, lets make a Morrowind Mod with Oblivion Graphics, because we love morrowind, yup we sure do love that Morrowind. Morrowind, Morrowind, Morrowind! Can't get enough of that Morrowind!"

I am sorry, but thats what it sounds like to me, not wishing to offend anyone. But, if they would work on a mod/expansion that makes the guilds more like morrowinds; I would find that appealing.

In truth I did like the Dark Brotherhood Guild in Oblivion. It seemed to be the ONLY guild that required that you roleplay, or at least gave you some decnt bonuses if you did as a stealthy assassin. Dont get me wrong, I may like the Assassins guild most in these games but there was a thousand ways they could have gone wrong in DB, but they got it just right IMHO.

But as for that mod, Imagine Vicente Valtieri lilting voice saying, "Forgive me Brother/Sister, but you dont qualify for advancement yet, please, hone your skills, so that you may yet serve Sithis in a rank more suited to one of your ambitions."

THAT WOULD BE COOL!

Then you just go around town sneaking for an hour, and come back after you gett that 5 point boost in sneak or marksman that you need, and:

"Ah yes! I can see that you have learned more of our shadowy art. Please, allow me to bestow upon you the rank of {InsertRankTitleHere}, brother/sister. May you walk always in the Shadow of Sithis!"

Yea, the does sound like a good idea Black. Just the fact that you can join every guild in Oblivion doesn't make sense if you're looking to roleplay the character appropriately. With the skills to raise rank in Morrowind, it forced you to join guilds you're character suited.

I definitely find it absurd to have a character that is champion of the Fighter's Guild, yet they only use magic.

Even more absurd that my magic retarded fighter became mage's guild headmaster. Stat and skill requirements for promotions should have been implemented like in morrowind to stop that from happening.

Morrowind just made so much more sense on so many levels - ahhh, but I am singing the Morrowind Lament again. Think I'll just go play it. I'm starting a new Enchantress with a whole bunch of Better Heads, Better Bodies, CanadianIce Robes, Gowns, Rose Armor, LeFemme Armor, Rhedd Heads, etc., etc. = sheer paper dolls roleplay.

Think I'll explore heavily into TelVanni life ... I usually avoid them like the plague. Don't really care for the architecture, but it's 'growing on me' tee hee ... after the austerity of Cyrodiil.

Perhaps they learnt not to listen to the fans, Oblivion has sooo many features which the fans were begging for after Morrowind, then when they released it all the fans bitched about those features they asked for, hopefully they have learnt that people are stupid.

Everyone here is assuming that Bethseda will follow oblivion in a straight line trend, but if you look at Bethseda's history, they jump from one side to the other, the next game will likely have lots of quests and the most bugs and errors every recorded in a game.

Tadaaa!! My aquatic friend is down off the mountain ... must be Springtime in New Zealand!

I tend to agree with Pisces, Bethesda moves all around in different directions concerning game content and gameplay. Although the many are Tamrielic in setting, they have differed widely in gameplay. Arena established the entire empire of Tamriel and took place all over the continent, excluding the Summerest Isles which were fabled about. The next, Daggerfall was Arena's successor yet only took place in one province, High Rock. Then came RedGuard - of similar flavor but not part of the succession. Then our beloved Morrowind and Tribunal and Bloodmoon ... Bethesda hit it just right on the head here. Especially with the modding which breathed years of life into a game that truly will probably never die. So now is Oblivion, set in the capitol city of Tamriel...many of us feel it is lacking too much of MW content although it does have asked for features, as Pisces points out. Buuuttt, we are not giving Beth enough time for Oblivion sequels yet ... who knows what content they may incorporate with expansion packs. So, don't count Oblivion down yet - let's wait and see what happens.

PS-look how well Pirates of the Caribbean launched Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow .. or was it the other way around? Anyway, it too is a Bethesda game - now made famous. Imagine if there were a Nerevarine Movie or an Oblivion Movie. Could happen.

Yes, give it some time. After all, Morrowind is famous because of the countless mods, not because of the basic core though that one is good as well. (Tribunal and Bloodmoon are simply a really big mod in my opinion.)

As for a Nerevarine movie? I'm not sure. They would have to freeze the idea of just who the Nerevarine is. If I would see that movie and then played some Morrowind, I would be constantly comparing my character with the one from the movie. So I think it's best if there isn't a movie about the games.
On the other hand, no one said it wouldn't be cool if there is a Tamriel movie that establishes a new story.

And so far, video game to-movie adaptations have been terrible... Just look at Doom and Bloodrayne. Major bombs. I haven't heard much better things with Silent Hill either.

I would definitely second a Tamriel movie, just not based on Morrowind or Oblivion. Maybe the Redguard game might make a good adaptation, since you have to play a certain character and it's somewhat linear in gameplay. Something entirely new would be awesome as well. Just as long as they don't make a game on it afterwards. If they did, they would have to make it extremely good.

Good idea Jack and The Metal Mallet, a Tamrielic movie would be wonderful! I agree that it should be about something entirely different from the games/expansions. Perhaps one of the more interesting books of MW/Obliv could be adapted into a movie. Or a setting where there has been no game before .... Summerset Isles, Elsewyr, Black Marsh ... one of the beast races would make it exceptionally fun to watch.

I guess the nest ES could be a movie, very unlikely but i guess you could throw it out there.

Erm. A Movie would be a terrible Idea IMHO. I never ever played D&D growing up. I played FPS before Morrowind to a sickening degree.

I can now no longer play them because of intense boredom that sets in, indeed my version of hell would be eternal boredom trying to run around shooting anything that moves for two hours.

When a friend came over to my house and said "Dude, you gotta play this game!" I was reluctant at first, I knew what elves were, but the idea of playing a game filled with them, gave me the "I'm a geek" Heebie-Jeebies, but I decided to give it a try, and I'm glad I did.

Four Years later, and I still play it. I still play on my XBox with a character named Sethyas Velas, with the Longish Dark Hair parted down the middle, with the Black Hand Tattoo on his Dunmer Face.

I play him as an Assassin, trying to use only Alchemy for all the spell effects I would normally need. If it means I run around inthe grazelands for an hour picking Wickwheat (Yeilds about 1000) for restore health potions, so be it. I feel like this character is alive, and expereincing things.

What is the point of all this?

You can't force the learning experience that is Morrowind into two hours of movie. I remember when I first started playing, that I would just run around thinking how incredible this was. Walking the path, and watching the path are two different things.

Aww man, i realize that I've been shooting down Ideas left and right. I am sorry if I am coming across as overly critical, its just my nature to assume the worst I guess.

But please, If YOU think its a good idea, pay me no mind, I'm just trying to give everyone two cents.

That is a very good point well taken. Now that I think of it, any movie about Tamriel should only show the beauty and variety of Nirn ... but not try to emulate anyone's gameplay in the land. Because you are right, it couldn't be contained within a two hour movie.

I still hold that one of the books of Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind or Oblivion ... showing and expanding upon the plot therein ... might make for a good movie. There are some really darn good books and quite such the variety of subject matter too.

That's why I suggested not to make a movie on the existing games. If it's a brand new experience, with unfamiliar territory, our preconceptions of what it should be are void.

I'm completely understand your viewpoint though, Black. I figure if they do make a movie, a lot of the lore of the Elder Scrolls would probably be left out. And that's a depressing thing. I would think that it would be fairly action packed, with some interesting visuals (if it's somewhere I haven't seen before, I might be a bit too critical on visuals if, say, it took place on Morrowind).

They could always prove me wrong though, LotR seemed to get the lore all in. Of course that took over 9 hours of film to do it....

If it looked significantly better than the typical video game movie, I'd watch it.

Yes I would too Danny just out of curiousity.

Mallet, I think that people who read LOTR first may feel that some of the lore did get skipped over or left out. My favorite Tolkien book was always the Hobbit, so I was thrilled to see Uncle Bilbo Baggins in the Elven stronghold...was cool.

I would very much like to see the next TES game set in the Summerset Isles. I think that the Summerset Isles would be a popular choice for the next game in the series. I had a dream once that I was an Altmer living in the Summerset Isles, and I was at a meeting with important Altmer mage elders, who were plotting against the Empire. It was the craziest dream I've ever had- this old Altmer guy had us whipped up into a frenzy; we weren't to take any more crap from those Imperialist bastards! I think that this would be a great plot for the game.

wow, I love your dream, Smart Patrol! It would make a good plot for a game sequel ... or maybe a teaser movie first?

I said a while ago if this ever happened, I'd quit TES altogether. Seeing as how I've now got a much more realistic view and outlook on where TES is headed, it's not at all unrealistic. If it's anything like Oblivion, you'll get to see lots of really cool special effects in deep dark places, a tiny teeny bit of blah blah dialog in the beginning and end and very boombastic sound, and music by Jeremy Soule.

As for the story, well. Who really cares about that anyway? Complete unknown to save world, news at 11.

Hmmm, I'm not sure about a movie, but I suppose if it was done right it could be pretty cool. It would certainly be deeper than Oblivion, and potentially able to justify our lofty expectations of what we think an ES movie should be like, but who can we trust to deliver a decent script? Bethsoft?

I think that the next (video game)installment has to provide a better game-playing experience than Oblivion, which for me fell flat after completing all the guilds with my Altmer mage. Once you play as a really powerful mage in Oblivion, the other classes never quite match up. I don't claim to know the answer to TES' problems, but I sure hope that Bethesda do. I hope that they understand why Oblivion disappointed a lot of people and have taken a good hard look at themselves. If they don't, I can't see anything to get too overwhelmed about regarding the next game. If they do(and set in in the Summerset Isles ), I could be having a whole lot of fun in 5 years' time.