In the ruin near imperial city, vilverin I think, UMBRA, a warrior with ebony armor is there, I attacked her and she butchers my health like nothing on earth, I hid ontop of the pillar and fired arrows etc and she just doesn't die, im sure I read you need to be level 20 or something to dual her, im level 7 nearly 8, I want that ebony armor lol, is there anyway I can get it?

Keep attacking. Try fireballs also.

Edit: I heard you can lure her into a poison room.

It's a Daedric Shrine quest.Visit Clavicus Ville's shrine.

And she wasn't that much of a chalenge to me.......But i'm using ranged combat and some wicked poisons,so melee oponents are peace of cake tfor me

Alright thanks, but anything in particular, I sat on the pillar firing fireballs at her for at least half an hour, did little effect, my character is mainly strength not magic. But is there any special posion or something that will do massive damage to her?

What's your alchemy level?

Not very high, but I guess I can just take fruit and make lots of potions etc.

Apprentice Level:
Damage Health + Damage Magicka:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Silence:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick, Vampire Dust, Rice



Journeyman Level:
Paralyze:
Clannfear Claws, Daedra Venin

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Silence:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick, Rice

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Damage Speed:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick, Peony Seeds, Pear

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Fire Damage:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick, Steel Blue Entoloma

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Fire Damage + Silence:
Harrada, Spiddal Stick, Blue Entoloma, Rice



Expert\Master:
Fire Damage + Shock Damage + Damage Health
Spiddal Stick, Imp Gall, Ectoplasm, Fly Aminata Cap

Fire Damage + Shock Damage + Damage Health
Imp Gall, Ectoplasm, Fire Salts, Ogre's Teeth

Paralyze + Frost Damage:
Dryad's Saddle Polypore, Milk Thistle Seeds, Tennel Seeds

Paralyze + Frost Damage + Silence:
Harrada, Milk Thistle Seeds, Vampire Dust

Paralyze + Frost Damage + Damage Magicka + Silence:
Fennel Seeds, Harrada, Milk Thistle Seeds, Vampire Dust

Paralyze + Fire Damage + Damage Magicka + Damage Health:
Steel Blue Entoloma, Imp Gall, Harrada, Fennel Seeds

Paralyze + Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Damage Intelligence:
Fennel Seeds, Harrada, Wisp Stalk Cap

Damage Health + Fire Damage + Shock Damage + Burden:
Ectoplasm, Fly Aminata Cap, Spiddal Stick, Steel Blue Entoloma Cap

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Damage Fatigue + Fire Damage + Silence:
Spiddle Stick, Imp Gall, Rat Meat, Motherwort Sprig
Spiddle Stick, Imp Gall, Rat Meat, Mort Flesh

Damage Health + Damage Magicka + Ice Damage + Silence + Paralyze:
Frost Salts, Milk Thistle Seeds, Harrada, Wormwood Leaves
Frost Salts, Milk Thistle Seeds, Harrada, Scamp Skin
Vampire Dust, Milk Thistle Seeds, Harrada, Scamp Skin

Damage Intelligence + Damage Magicka + Paralyze + Damage Health + Damage Willpower:
Wispstalk Cap + Fennel Seeds + Harrada + Morning Glory Root Pulp


Suit your Alchemy level.And see to it that your alchemy set be the best as posible.......With the Expert\Master level,nothing can stand in your path But use it only in urgent situations......Otherwise the game becomes too easy

The poison room! Yeald and try to find it.

Hypno, nice Alchemy
It's easy to make many damaging potions. I like to creat 8 or so of the same kind. When you get in a REAL tough fight, hotkey the potion, then apply it several times. It will usually do something like dmg health 10 pts for 10 sec - hit 'em a few times with that and its all over.

An alternative to beating a tough boss is to combine enchantments/spells/potions for 100% chameleon and walk up and whack 'em. Umbra will not even be a challenge then (which spoils it a bit, but hey, if you're stuck...).

Alright thanks for the list.

hmm umbra. did her yesterday. It was like two hits and a spell and she lay down before my feet

Yes, but he just started. He isnt going to have a spell like wizard's fury or an enchanted deadric sword. I said it over and over but he should use the poison room. I dont know where it is and can only take my friend's word for it.

Nevermind , she dead, I picked the very hard locks in the dark brotherhood, the chests, and got some pimp arrows like worth 100 each, anyway I made a new save so I have a backup save, bassically I got a new bow as well, and used these fire arrows and fired them at her, she died so fast, anyway got her armor and sword, cool sword.

Anyway the question is, will me killing her now, effect the game in any way? and will it kill that quest for the daedric or whatever, when he/she asks me to kill umbra would I just re-enter conversation and they would say well done you killed her or what?

Also I had all legion before because some bandit killed a legion guard, so I took his armor, anyway should I keep or sell the ebony stuff? I think I should keep it but im just wondering is it female armor? or is there no sex armor difference in the game?

So long as you can find the sword there should be no problem with the quest.

For the armor I suggest the Ebony stuff, but I am not sure as to which is better, but it is probably Ebony (I don't use heavy armor).

P.S. The only differances for sexes with armor is the model for some of them. But don't worry, it changes to the male version if you equip it.

Alright thanks, and good it changes to the male version because it would look a bit /.