I've seen lots of posts from people complaining about how they hate how the difficulty of the enemies/quests increases as your character levels up. Particularly when discussing the Kvatch main questline - many players have had trouble completing it when they were beyond level 10.

Personally, I love leveling. It means that even trivial quests can be a challenge. One thing that bored me was when I had completed about half of the quests and/or the main quest in MW, all other quests were just too darn easy.

Oblivion takes care of that problem, but many of you disagree with me!
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I love the fact that your enemies level up i prefer it

Yeah i like em leveling up too

I loved it also. Well maybe not so much in Kvatch. One mage saves the entire city. It was hard for me, but all the soldiers were either dead, or anyone of importance was unconcious. Even leveled guards would have been welcome also. I like a challange and I like my allies to be challenged also. Not walked allover.

I love it.

This way the game can never become too easy.
The loot also levels up with you,and that's also great.The game is at the moment hard to me because i have 47 Armorer(only 3 to go!) and i'm forced using non-enchanted weapons.But when i get the right skill......heh.....

Then just wait until you're an expert in armorer...

Sound like the leveling process is starting to settle in - at first I saw a lot of noise from folks objecting to it, but I think many (myself included) see that it enables much more extended fun play.

I like that the monsters get harder, but i'm lvl 12 and bears are kicking my boat, i dont think this should happen, there should be a certain lvl they can get to, and then that is it, so that some things are just easy when you get a higher lvl, well rats are easy and ghosts are easy but besides that, it is much better than morrowind though where there was a ponit i could kill anything with 2 swings. So I would rather have bears kicking my boat.

I read the blurb included with the game saying you can do the main quest or go do your own thing and do the quest later... so I did.

At lvl 15 I decided to do the main quest, and its so damn hard its untrue. Guards dying as soon as they go through the portals etc. Ive done countless resaves, and I will admit to, at one point, putting on `TGM as after 4 hours of reload save, die, reload save, die... it was the only way out, and Im only at the Chorral portal! I was very upset when Baurus died

Other than that, I have no problems with the mobs lvling as I do, Im enjoying it, I just wish Id known earlier to do the main quest before anything else at all.

Oh well, when I make a new character to play it again, Ill know better

I find the leveling of the enemies that make the game real hard is a pain. Saving and reloading and dying is NOT fun. There should be some reasonable leveling, but when is this game going to get fun? There should be a setting for this leveling thing. Why level up if it makes no difference in your abilities usefullnes?

True to that, I get all happy when I level but it doesnt really mean anything except I have to fight harder guys and I have 10 extra life that they can beat out of me before I have to reload.

Why shouldn't they?

There's the rub... and a good point.

My reply:
In comparison to lower levels, at higher levels, it's still easier to do many things, like sell at better prices, sneak past people easier, do more damage with swings, jump higher, etc.

One area that people over look is that even as you level up, you can in fact get better than your opponents if you level up wisely and make good use of equipment. I've actually been edging the difficulty slider up from average as I've progressed through the game. Alchemy is a skill many neglect. I just made expert. I can easily create Recover health potions of ~14 points per sec for 30+ sec, so it makes me able to hang with even a gang of tough beasties. I can create 40%+ chameleon potions that last minutes.... when I sneak they never see me even if I'm under their noses! And because I'm incredibly strong (about 160 with daedric enchanted armor), they usually go down with one sneaky swing.

I've found it just fine to close Ob gates at lvl 20+ but haven't bothered with main quest past the join the Red Dawn quest.

OTOH, if you find it too hard, then you can also make use of the difficulty slider!

I kinda dislike leveling.

I like that they level. But I hate how they all scale to me. All of them. some like rats have a level cap, fortunately, but frankly...well, being a battlemage and getting owned by a single timber wolf annoys the hell out of me.

But, the difficultly slider is my friend.

When I get pisased I just turn it down all the way and I like, become a GOD.

Seriously. Do it sometime. You'll beat everything to death with the greatest of ease. Its satistfying if you've been getting killed alot recently.

Ahhhh cammon' that cheating!
Don't you at least a bit feel like a cheater?

And BTW:You are a BATTLEAMAGE and got killed by Timber Wolf
I am a Stealth char and i eat them for breakfast.Battlemages should be a lot stronger than Stealth chars.Actualy,what is your level?

Back on topic:Finaly i reched Journeyman in Armorer.Finaly i can use my superior Short Sword and repair it.I must tell that i felt a breaking point betwen ''Normal enemy hard as hell'' and ''not that chalenging''.

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The blade i'm talking about is offcourse Chillrend.It's a short sword that deals 20 Frost damage and reduces enemyes Frost resistance 35% for 20 seconds.That means that with my every next hit,i deal more damage.With this blade i'm killing Spider Daedra and Storm Atronachs with most of ease.Still those Daedra(what is it's name?)that summon Clanfear,Are sturdy and deal good melee damage?They are trouble.


To get to my point:Sometimes too easy,sometimes too hard.So the leveling system isn't that perfect after all.......

I didnt even know about the slider, i am just going to pretend I never read about it too. I can get passed just about everything but it is very challenging which is a good thing


I make potions all the time just so I can level, and then I sell the ones that are useless and get extra cash, I think im lvl 60 in alch

I just need to find some good armor and weapons, i havent found anything past a 6 damage in weapons or a 7 in armor,

You just wait until you become a Master!
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With Master skill you can make potions with one single ingridient!Just one Bloodgrass and puf....Chameleon!And if you put Nirnroot you can make a VERY powerfull poison.....

Unfortinatly that doesn't work for Dark Brotherhood poison apples.You can't make a Deadly Weapon poison

That will be nice, i need a better way of getting healing potions, what ingrients make a healing potion, that I will be able to find easily?

'Tis not cheating if you're using the devs put there to use. The game's default setting is, as my friend so elqouently put it once "Scaled for Hardcore powergamers".

My Battlemage is level 8. Thats his problem, see. Unless you hamster with the slider you have to keep leveling your skills without increasing your level or the enemies crush you. Which is also like cheating.

I'm just happy the bears and lions don't get glass claws... everyone in my game is packing evil enchanted glass axes, swords, and bows.

Well you surely remember in Morrowind that with trainers you were able to make up your way to the stars.....Just one trip to Mournhold,make money and Train 30 levels up.It was put here by the devs,but cammon,didn't it feel like cheating?

Oh,you're level 8?I guess that Timber Wolf can be formidbnle oponent at that level.Don't know really,it was easy to kill him with a Critical Hit (Stealth Kill).Oh,did you by any chance meet Mountain Lion?If you can't fairly beat Timber Wolf at this level you're not gonna like Mountain Lion

Harder the enemies...the better the loot!

I partitionaly disagree.
You can work you a$$ off by killing a Lich,and all what you get is a damn Bonemeal and a petty staff......And this is level 36 i'm talking!
I fight Spider Daedra and all i get is Silk and Venin.I fight Deadroth and all i get is his teeth.

But the loot on Vampires,Bandit's and all the other humanoids imporves and that's good

I really haven't found any of the game particularly hard. I started doing the Oblivion main quest around lvl 15 and now i'm 23 and still doing it. But only the first gate was hard because I didn't know what ot expect. Now I can close a gate in about 20 minutes and clearing the whole tower(s). I guess stealth characters just have the upper hand in this Elder Scroll.

Are they still hard to beat at this lvl?

TALKING FROM STEALTH CHAR PERSPECTIVE

Lich - If i catch him offguard (If i do critical hit),i have a very good chance of wining.
But when he spots me and starts casting summons and firing fireballs?Well i can beat it,but i have to use some restore health potions.Too bad poisons don't work for liches

Spider Daedra - Peace of cake.I'm Master at Marksman,but i fight Spider Daedra melee.I use an exelent Short Blade Chillrend (Send me a PM if you want to know how to aquire it) andi have about 75-78 blade.Trust me,that abomination can't hold on against strong,quick slashes of Chillrend.

Daedroth - Daedroth is a Melee brute.If i run backwards and fire him with my bow(Enchanted Daedric 20 Shock) i can easyly beat it.But i rarely enter a melee with Daedroth.

The current problem now is that damn daedra....i constantly can't remember it's name....it starts with an X......summons Clanfear,strong at melee and sturdy constitution,casts frost?No metter he is hard.

Good comments.
Xivilai. Not to bad if you're a fighter like me. I make MANY potions and often use the restore health by now. I play at 75% difficulty - lvl 26 and most fights with 2+ enemies requie potion use.

I REALLY hate the gloom wraiths. Poisons don't work on them either and they always have nasty draining spells and can be pretty tough to bring down.

Yep.
But they aren't so hard if you have a ranged weapon with you

The way i do it:
I make quite a distance,Get in Stealth Mode,And give it about 6 Critical shots.If the distance is big enough it can't detect me so i can beat the thing without geting a scratch

You know what's also giving me trouble?
Goblin Warlords.
They are sturdy,strong and quick.Plus they carry a shield so not every arrow works

I don't like leveling enemies that much. To a point it's a great thing. But now, whenever I level up I have no pleasure as I did in Morrowind. Even if I'm level 30, I won't have an easy time fighting enemies because they all level up to me. What's the pleasure in leveling up now? If I was level 30 in Morrowind then I would be a GOD by now, strong enough to kill Vivec who was level 100. Too much leveled things I say. It takes out the pleasure of leveling and it makes the game a little annoying. Like for example up to level X you never saw people wearing elven armour but after you pass level X suddenly everyone is sporting elven armour. Kinda strange ain't it?

Yep.
I remember what it took in Morrowind to collect the whole Daedric armor set.In Oblivion it seems that every stupid bandit has it

I always killed Divayth Fyr for it or used the console to get it into my inevntory. It was rock-hard to get daedric back in Morrowind but now in Oblivion once you get past a certain level, highwaymen start approaching you demanding 100 drakes when they're wearing 100 K.

I know what you mean
But they aren't wearing ''100 K''.Even Daedric armor isn't that all expensive.In Morrowind Daedric Long Sword was about 50 K.Now it's......well i don't know how much it costs but it's a LOT less than 50K.

Daedric longsword is about 3K.
I understand. Perhaps leveling could have been done better, but in general I believe it makes the game more fun for me.
Perhaps they could have made non-essential or non-boss NPC/monsters 10 levels behind you, but the others stay leveled.... OTOH, if you don't like fighting tough battles on the road to somewhere, fast travel, or, of course - move your slider!

I consider slider changing a cheat (of sorts).Actualy not a cheat,more like unfair use of the game.
But don't listen to me:I don't support sliders,trainers,gliches,and god knows what more (even i don't know).

Oh,when i get in trouble,i just cast an Invisibility spell.Retreat,repair myself,poison my arrow get in stealth mode and counter-attack!!!
Or when i don't want to get in battle,i allways have Invisibility on me

Offocurse if i run out of arrows i still have my beautyful shortsword....but if i run out of repair hammers.....fast travel

I really like monster levelling. I get a good amount of challenge with the slider at about 85%. I'm level 40 and specialized right from the beginning in blade, heavy armor and destruction.

It WAS really hard when the timber wolves first appeared and I had to back the slider all the way to 50%.

I have mixed feelings about loot levelling. you see, for me it feels really good to become rediculously rich in RPGs and dealing with creeper was tedious. In Oblivion there is enough expensive stuff after level 15 or so that you can get rich selling things for 1200 a pop.
On the other hand, I miss the excitement of finding a deadric ruin and thinking that maybe, just maybe, I'd get a daedric or glass weapon when I killed the demon.

I agree with this sentiment, however, it was pretty easy to get Daedric stuff even then. Just make an enchanted summon golden saint ring/amulet. Summon GS a few times, kill her, pick up the loot and you'll get plenty of glass/daedric stuff. I was always patient enough to get a daedric tower shield - good stuff!!!! (and incidentally what makes me sad about the changes in enchanting - a simple gold ring is as good as a daedric shield for enchanting now).

Really? I hadn't noticed. I'd just assumed and I've only been using the best.
That is pretty weak.

I like the fact that your enemies level up with you (mostly for the 'challenge' aspect of the game) but it can be pretty annoying in certain situations.