I was trying to decide on what NON-TES story I wanted to write next, and it donned on me that I have never actually tried to create my own personal world. So that is what I am going to do, but I need your help. Right now I am clueless as to where I want to go with story. I have the map already drawn out in "Paint", but I don't have a name for the 'world', nor do I have any idea on what the plot should be, or what creatures/species I should have.

Can anyone out there help a writer out? Have any of you all tried to create your own world? If so, what are the DOs and DONTs? What caused you to succeed/fail? I don't mean to sound offensive with the 'fail' part, but obviously there's a reason if you failed, and I want to know what it was so that I don't make the same mistake.

This project is pretty high on my list of things to accomplish right now, so I want to get things right. And even if you haven't tried to create your own world, I would still love to hear your opinions.

Depth and realism, in terms of everything. Don't be afraid to go back to physics/chemistry to find out if something is plausable or not, but also be prepared to throw those guidlines right out the window (magic). My own problem is actually depth, my own world has so much new stuff right from the get-go that I kinda lost my first readers. Also, there isn't much to tie my world to our own, hence losing my readers. My story is more of a culture shock than a Russian going to South America. Wish I could be more helpful. Oh, also avoid uber characters. My main protagonist started out far too powerful, I'll have to go back and revise him. I also overused one city too many times, so it lacks interseting settings. Furthermore, I have a problem with making my female characters too similar in persona. Also, I wrote this beast by hand (600+ pages) and I tend to skip problems and jot down notes/suggestions for myself since it's such a huge undertaking, which has worked wonderfully. I skip detail and just write down events and specific ideas I want to use. It's like a rough draft for a rough drafts rough draft.

Give me a link to the map. I'll give you a list of suggestions on what I think the world should be called.

As for the creatures and species, it depends on the map and where you placed everything.

600 pages!?!? Jesus, that kills my great length! (roughly 125 pages). Thanks a lot for the help. Also, someone at BGSF suggested that I create a sort of WIKI for the world, listing races, religions, atmosphers, cities,, past history, etc. I think that is what I will do first...

@ V: It's just a basic map, and unfortunately I don't know how to upload the damn thing!

Dang! :headsmack:

You should make a similar wiki thing, that would provide enough information on things such as animals and plants and things of that nature.

Lists are good. lol, sometimes I forget some of my characters names and have to go back to one of the ealier notebooks to find the name. I think I'm on #4 notebook, compostion notebooks, each one 100 sheets front and back minus a page or two. But I had large handwriting at the beginning, so it's not all that impressive.

Your quantity of writing is very impressive.

Now if only I could improve the quality...
lol, I have killer carpal tunnel.

You could refer to my Archives, Reds. Even if the story it's tied to is stalled out right now you could use it as an example.

Thanks, Revan. That's awfully nice of you.

You're welcome,

Alright, here is the map. The world is going to be named "Mancia". There are a few things I should tell you:
1. The big white squares with the "C" stands for the continents captitol city.
2. The smaller white circles are the other cities. (I have yet to create villages)
3. Blue streaks and shapes are rivers and/or lakes. Surrounding areas outside of land is of course the ocean.
4. The green "haze" in the middle western continent is jungle. This continent has many of them.
5. Orange streaks are bridges either connecting islands, or connect to land to another pieces of land.
6. Tiny black lines over rivers are small bridges.

Keep in mind this is a rough draft. I have yet to dwelve into anything else, let alone specific names of anythig:

Map (Mancia)

Ahhh. The joy of worldbuilding. I've done a fair bit of this and can give you some pointers though essentially it boils down to doing what works for you.

The only hard and fast rule is to be consistent - you can have anything but to make readers believe you must think through its consequences and have reasons why it does or doesn't apply. You're world must be stable (or at least in a situation which it could conceivably end up in), for example if you have magic do the mages rule and if not why not.

There are two basic methods of worldbuilding I've seen, from the top down, where you start with the big picture and work down to the small one, and from the bottom up where you get an overall view but then just start wherever your story does and make up the rest on the fly. The latter gets you writing a lot quicker though the former is an easier way to produce a coherent world. Everyone will do a mixture of both and what you enjoy is up to you.

Another thing which greatly helps is using similar sounds for different cultures' words and places (for example the ashlanders words are based on Assyrian if I remember correctly). This adds instant depth. So does darkness and despair - look at great worlds, Tolkein's lotr, Jordan’s wheel of time, King's dark tower, even star wars. None are really happy places.

Cultures are important, not only what they wear, what recreations they partake in, how rich, how advanced, how prejudiced, but how people in that culture think. Travel helps a lot with understanding my meaning but remember no one believes they are evil and in any dispute each side think they are the good. This tends to be down to these differences in thinking.

Another really fun bit is putting in the cool bits. These are those things, especially places but they can be anything, which are just fun. Think of bits of other works which are just nice: moria is an excellent example, its exciting and give a feeling of depth. Put in enough with variation but avoid too many (unless you're writing parody in which have nothing else).

I could write more but I'll finish with a couple of bits of advice - make it how you want it and loads of plots will come to you just in its development. Also remember nothing is final, if you need a city somewhere halfway though a plot just bang it in.


Here's two links which might be helpful (hell I probably plagiarised one or two bits unknowingly):
http://www.hollylisle.com/fm/Workshops/how...d-workshop.html - exceptionally good there are more things down the left margin
http://www.sfwa.org/writing/worldbuilding1.htm - these questions will test your world's workings very well

Thanks a lot, Olen. That actually helped a lot.

Meh, i just realized it's not near enough as big as I want it to be. I want the extensiveness to match that of TES. I'll be redoing the map now...

Ok, here's the new map. Keep in mind that in the province, "Burgo", the green is the rainforest.

Bavion

Why are all the different climates seperated by water?

Good luck, Red! I know it's been tough for me in the past.

I know, I know. It's something I gotta figure out.

I am not a writer myself, but just one tip of how I see things.

By creating the world, in my opinion, you should create a main land! Let land continue off the map. Let that place be undiscovered or just mention some people or even odd races coming from the other side of a group of mountains. Islands don't look good, neither do they work realisticaly especially if you wish to have a world like Earth. This is too much of an influence from games, where they take islands so they don't need to bother crating world across the oceans.

For example take the World of Warcraft, where the two "continents" are far bigger than your islands appear to be, but for my taste still far from beeing called a continent if you know what I mean ...

What I think of Islands is that world looks empty. Just the land drawn on the map and all the rest around the globe is water. If the world is round in your case at all, that is.

You're assuming he wants a world that resembles Earth's, or even shares its ancient history. Remember, there's tectonic evidence for Pangaea on our planet - who's to say that another planet's volcanic and tectonic past might not have created a slew of islands rather than one gigantic continent that drifted over millions of years?

(PS: Even Warcraft's continent was originally a pangaea, remember. The Great Sundering caused the original continent, Kalimdor, to be ripped in half.)

Well there's nothing wrong with islands for me. What I was trying to say; more important is that not everything is on the map. make a bigger island cut off by the edges of the map and give that world some continuity instead of assuming that the rest is just one big ocean.

This is just my opinion of course ...

Oh, you're on the right track, both of you. I am NOT looking for my world to resemble earth. However, there are other islands and landmasses, I just haven't created them yet. They are all in my mind. I've just trying to take each map one at a time, so i don't confuse myself.

He's creating the -world- though, not the story. So he draws everything, then decides what the characters in one place knows about... you don't leave out part of your world when your making the entire thing, besides for continuities sake, it wouldn't be endless oceam stretching out, it'd be a ball... so one end of the map connects to the other... except up and down... those are just confusing.

Ok map design: a couple of hints (see the first link I posted too).

To get something realistic look at the real world. Look for interesting features etc. A trick I often use is to zoom in on a small section of land then blow it up so its actually the world (a few changes are needed to make small islands look like continents but it's remarkably simple). Use google maps ( http://maps.google.co.uk ) then have a look for cool bits. Some good areas to start are the Lofoten islands (north Norway), west Scotland and south Japan: all these areas have wild coasts well suited to enlargment which will produce interesting maps.

Once you have a few bits you like mix and match a bit.

Now features: in any world like ours (same physics, situation etc) there will tend to be rainforest round the equator (think congo) with deserts to the north (sahara in this example) and south (kalahari) then a temperate zone (europe) going to tundra in the polar extrmities. It is worth noting that in fantasy it is common to try to imitate the 'old world' (ie. euraisa) so it often is cold in the north and warm in the south and ignores the spherical nature of the world, this is also a lot easier to draw.

As for individual features, inland seas are very rare and look a bit odd, lochs are more common. Both will always have rivers into them and almost always one river out too (more is rare as there will tend to be a single lowest point which thus erodes fastest giving rise to a single river). Smaller rivers tend to meet to form one but one river almost never splits into two without human intervention. Rivers tend to run from hills to the sea.

Mountain placement is more subtle and is due to plate tectonics. Find something which looks right. As a rought rule they tend to run in long straight lines (the andes/ rockies is an extreme example). Older ranges are more rounded, newer ones higher and pointier. Rangles tend not it intersect on another at large angles (though there are pleanty of exception to this). But honestly just do what you want, tolkeins middle earth had wild mountains and he got away with it.

Forests crop up everywhere where there is sufficent water, its not too cold and there's not to much wind.

People destroy forests. Settlements tend to appear by bridges over rivers, especially where they meet. They also appear at good harbour sites on the coast. In farming area it depends on the history, if it has been peaceful the land will be dotted with tiny hamlet with only a few towns to serivce them, if it is troubled people will gather in towns for protecton. In mountains settlements are in the lower sections of passes and where major routes go. There tend to be small villages along most low valleys and in any farmable land. Sometimes settlement appear for no reason, they also appear whereever any resource is abundant, sometimes these resources run out but the people will stay.

Well thats more than I intended to write. Hopefully it wasn't too much like a geography lesson but if you normally follow these rules your map should avoid having anything wierd on it. Breaking them at the right times gives rise to interesting features.

Hope that helps and didn't put you to sleep.

No, it definitely didn't put me to sleep. *sigh* I have a lot of work to do though. I think I know what I'm going to do. I am going to recreate the world. I'll make one huge continent, and then split it up into different provinces, like Tamriel. We'll see how that goes... Thanks a lot.

[You're right, sorry] Good map(s) by the way. Have you thought of doing it with just pencil and paper?

Edited for a "rushed judgement".

Yeah, I think that's what I might do now. I don't know...this whole "create a world" thing is getting bleeping annoying. It's so damn hard...

Ok, I'll go ahead and post the map in hopes that the thing won't change in the next five mintues... <_< Keep in mind that this is still slightly in progress, and in "small" changes will occur just whenever. the blue is obviously rivers and "large" lakes. One brown triangle is one mountain. Three triangles are a range of mountains.

Mancia

Well, I can see where the Tamriel influence is! lol

Isn't there something else with the name Mancia?
or is it some sort of Spanish?

Maybe, not too sure...I haven't really thought of that.

Thanks everyone, you ALL have been a wonderful help, and for that I am very grateful. However.......I have a problem that needs to be extinguished, and unfortunately I'm just going to stop trying to create a whole world, for right now at least.

Looking back at my "unnamed short story" thread, it just sounds way too much like TES. And the way I have my landmasses set up and described....there's just nothing unique about my world at all, save for a couple of races, but even a few of them are rip-offs as well. I mean, someone has already pointed out that my map looks dead-up like TES. At first I just said "oh well, it's not a big deal", but I couldn't have been further from the truth. It IS a big deal, hence why it called "CREATING" a new world, not copying another game/movie/fantasy world/etc. So, this is what I think I am going to do...

I am going implement some of my landmasses and races into TES itself. That way I can work with what I already know and love, PLUS I can add a bit of freshness for my personal self and taste. I don't know, I think it'll work it out well enough. We'll see what the readers think...

Thanks again for your help, and don't think I am just going to dismiss what you've all said. I'll remember and then maybe pull them out on a rainy day. Right now creating my own world is just too daunting of a task. I got too excited and immediatly jumped into something I essentially had no idea about. Perhaps in the future I will be able to take on the colossal challenge.